• deegeese@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    1595·
    2 years ago

    Employers controlling their workers “time off” is old fashioned dystopia.

    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.worldEnglish
      28116·
      2 years ago

      It’s entirely voluntarily (hence bonus), and has huge benefits for your self. I fail to see what the problem is.

      My company does the same thing, and so do many others.

      • Neato@kbin.social
        928·
        2 years ago

        Your company is abusing it’s employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.

        With how a lot of jobs have a lot of their pay based on nearly mandatory bonuses, this is basing pay on controlling you outside of work.

        • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.worldEnglish
          742·
          2 years ago

          Your company is abusing it’s employees. Imagine if it was something other than exercise how abusive it would be.

          Except it’s not, because it’s exclusively about health. It’s a discount health insurance companies offer to companies, and the company uses that money to encourage employees to be healthier.

          • beetus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            14·
            2 years ago

            Your insurance benefit offered after health milestones isn’t 30-130% of your salary though

            Running 30km (18.6 miles) in a month earns a bonus equivalent to 30% of their monthly salary. Moving up to 40km (24.8 miles) pushes that to 40%. Hitting 50km (31 miles) earns 100%, and the top tier of 100km (62 miles) is 130%

            • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
              5·
              2 years ago

              100km for 130%, when 50km will already get you 100%? Not worth it in the least.

              Depending on how they track it, exploiting that shouldn’t be too hard.

          • slst@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            4·
            2 years ago

            I didnt see what was the appeal for companies until I realized they were US based companies and had to provide health insurance for their employees

          • mx_smith@lemmy.worldEnglish
            214·
            2 years ago

            Next up they will be forcing you to a plant based diet or maybe straight to veganism. Slippery slope towards forced sterilization or some other Radical procedure that saves them money but is not necessary.

      • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
        571·
        2 years ago

        As reported by Guangzhou Daily, Lin Zhiyong, the chairman of a company that makes paper for various devices, told his workers that their year-end bonuses had been canceled. Instead, the money will be distributed across each coming month, and how much employees receive will depend on how far they run.

        He literally canceled their bonuses and said “lol go run for it dipshit”

        Imagine getting your bonus cancelled and told to go do more work to get it back.

        Fuck this guy and fuck Chinese labour standards.

        • Sarmyth@lemmy.worldEnglish
          112·
          2 years ago

          You don’t have to run. My lazy ass clears 6k steps each day just living life. That’s counts as walking, which is worth 1/3rd steps but still makes it a mile a day. I would be getting 100% bonus with literally no life change. Sign me up! Meanwhile, I never bonused working retail because people stealing carts crushed my EBITA every quarter.

          • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
            62·
            2 years ago

            Are you a fucking idiot?

            Go work in a fucking Chinese paper factory all day for not enough money to live, and then go have part of your salary taken away and be told to do more work.

            Maybe after having a second of fucking realisation you won’t come back and spout such dumbarse nonsense.

            • Sarmyth@lemmy.worldEnglish
              110·
              2 years ago

              You obviously are a fucking idiot because a bonus isn’t your salary shithead. Also this is the most trivial nonsense I’ve ever heard of to bonus 100%. I live in America where I’ve never once gotten 100% of my goddammit bonus fuckface. Being told that you get all of it for wearing a pedometer is literal childs play to me. Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit baby agression and jerk off or something instead.

              I fucking wish I worked in a Chinese paper factory and got bonuses! Like seriously, get a goddammit clue. If that sounds like hard work to you, then you’ve literally never seen one, and you must have baby soft keyboard hands.

              • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
                51·
                2 years ago

                You’re an absolute moron.

                I too wish you get to work in a Chinese factory.

                • Sarmyth@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  19·
                  2 years ago

                  I’m surprised you can even spell moron. I bet the reason you think it’s so bad is because you’re a piece of shit racist. Get over yourself.

                  Looks much nicer than my workplace. I also work with Chinese manufacturers and know how many holidays they get off too, so unlike you, I’m not actually ignorant to your average Chinese persons working environment and make believe its some hellscape. Our middle class is collapsing while theirs has grown substantially. Their government does some crazy shit but we’re no exception.

        • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1212·
          2 years ago

          Not all of these programs explicitly require running with no alternatives for people who can’t run.

          Most that I’ve seen are usually just based on “exercise minutes” depending on how your device tracks those. The Apple watch is really lenient and I get 50% of my daily goal just walking to work.

            • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1410·
              2 years ago

              I’m sure they offer alternatives. Not everything is so black and white.

              Our companies in particular is just 30 exercise minutes so you can do whatever you want to get your heart rate up.

              • Blooper@lemmy.worldEnglish
                91·
                2 years ago

                Sex. I want my company to pay me to sex. I feel like I could totally get behind that. Sexually.

                • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
                  21·
                  2 years ago

                  A 2-mile run per day is about 20-30 minutes of cardio. You can count sex, but how are you going to get the other 19-29 minutes?

              • Brekky@lemmy.worldEnglish
                31·
                2 years ago

                I hope ‘going to therapy to treat your depression because you can’t force yourself to go out and exercise’ is offered as an alternative too.

            • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
              49·
              2 years ago

              If the company is operating in good faith, they will be making “reasonable accommodations” for disabled workers.

              The top tier of this program requires about 30 minutes of running per day. I’m sure we can find a similarly intensive workout to meet the needs and capabilities of disabled workers, numbnuts.

              • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
                81·
                2 years ago

                If the company is operating in good faith,

                If they’re going on with this idea, they’re definitely not operating in good faith.

                • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
                  35·
                  2 years ago

                  Nothing in the article even suggests they are operating in bad faith.

                  The company is basically asking them to voluntarily extend their work day by 15 to 30 minutes, but instead of offering time-and-a-half they would be entitled to as “overtime”, they will double, or more than double their wages.

                  That roughly 30 minute period of activity is worth about 16 times their hourly pay.

            • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
              28·
              2 years ago

              Do you think they would be included in this bonus program?

      • Squizzy@lemmy.worldEnglish
        374·
        2 years ago

        If they want to be a part of employees health and well-being they can pay health insurance or start the day with a hit sessions or yoga or tai chi.

        They absolutely shouldn’t be encouraging, through their bonus scheme, people to do work associated activities in their spare time.

        I understand your view I just don’t like that this is how they’ve chosen to encourage such a thing.

        My work has a marathon every year, during work hours on a voluntary basis and logs training miles for competition. Never affects earnings or personal time.

      • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.worldEnglish
        313·
        2 years ago

        Because it is a transparent attempt to pay less bonuses and I am betting exploits some condition in the insurance and/or tax code to get a better deal for the corporation.

        How about companies just pay the end of the year bonus and not make a big deal about it?

            • toasteecup@lemmy.worldEnglish
              21·
              2 years ago

              I’m not attempting to excuse the behavior by any means (no matter how much it sounds otherwise).

              Just explaining that this is behavior we can and should expect from an authoritarian state with no regard for human rights. Hopefully that clarifies things a little bit.

              • isles@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                2 years ago

                Yes, and reading the parent I see they were speaking of exploiting laws, not people specifically. Thanks for clarifying, hope you have a nice day

        • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.worldEnglish
          59·
          2 years ago

          Or it’s because insurance companies offer discounts for companies that offer these programs. The employer uses some (or all) of that money to encourage employees to be healthier which A. makes them healthier. B. saves the insurance company/insurance money. C. helps boost productivity. and D. makes everyone overall happier.

      • aulin@lemmy.worldEnglish
        162·
        2 years ago

        Bonuses should not be expected, or they’re not bonuses. I get that. But making them available only to those able to do some physical test is discrimination.

      • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
        33·
        2 years ago

        Meanwhile, assholes at the top get bonuses if the company is profitable. Seeing a bit of a discrepancy here

  • nakal@kbin.social
    1022·
    2 years ago

    If it’s on company time, it’s fine.

    • Plopp@lemmy.worldEnglish
      27·
      2 years ago

      Jeff Bezos: It’s inside the Amazon warehouse, while working.

      • jackie_jormp_jomp@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        2 years ago

        You are not allowed to stop moving or eliminate your waste. It’s because we care about you

    • Ziggurat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      111·
      2 years ago

      My work is somehow promoting sport over lunch break (well there is always an Ass hole setting a meeting at 13) but it’s lunch break, not work time. However, during that time we build connections with other employees, talk about work, so basically free cross department team building for the company

      • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
        71·
        2 years ago

        I don’t think hungry employees will tolerate that for long. Or maybe it’s a way for higher ups to get rid of “possible nuisances”

  • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    698·
    2 years ago

    My health is nearly none of my employer’s business. I will not be telling them when or how I exercise.

    This is a gross invasion of privacy.

    There isn’t much difference between a “bonus” and a penalty, given enough notice.

    • SendMePhotos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      299·
      2 years ago

      I kind of like the Japanese culture of the workplace being in charge of the health of their workers. This is why they all exercise for the first 30 min of their shift. If they are overweight, they find a solution.

      Is it invasive? Kind of, yeah. Pretty much. Idk. Maybe the bonus shouldn’t ride on the fitness, but I think the workplaces should be more involved in the health of their employees.

      • Death_Equity@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        2 years ago

        Japan has a fraction of the obesity as the USA.(BMI >/=30, J%:3.8M/3.2F to USA%:43.0M/41.9F)

        Also they have 1/3rd the % of population with disabilities at 4.3% vs the USA with 13%.

        I’m not saying the brief forced workout routine by their employers has results, by no means, what I am getting at is that shit wouldn’t fly in America and any attempt would end in failure due to our cultural relationship with food.

    • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldEnglish
      117·
      2 years ago

      To be fair it is kind of their business just in a very indirect and invasive way.

      Your health affects your performance, your health affects their health insurance, disability, and life insurance premiums.

      This means that as far as the faceless entity of a business goes your health is its concern. Now whether we agree to just accept that or not as a whole other story.

      On a personal level I wouldn’t mind my employer being more involved in my health, not invasively or privacy violating like the above. Providing access to nutritionists or trainers, supplementing a gym membership under the agreement that I actually use it. Making exercise equipment and group workout sessions available. Things like that.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        4·
        2 years ago

        “firm in China”. Pretty sure China doesn’t deal with “health insurance, disability, and life insurance premiums.”

      • snooggums@kbin.social
        502·
        2 years ago

        Imagine single payer healthcare not tied to employment.

        • SaucySnake@lemmy.worldEnglish
          629·
          2 years ago

          Last thing he needs is lard-ass coworkers driving up taxes

          • snooggums@kbin.social
            23·
            2 years ago

            Single payer would be cheaper than the current system. Other countries pay half of what the US does per capita to insure everyone and they have better outcomes because people get care when they need it.

            Idiots like you are why we can’t fix our system because you blame other people instead of the for profit corporations that lobby to keep any kind of progress from happening so they can continue sucking money out of the system.

            • SaucySnake@lemmy.worldEnglish
              810·
              2 years ago

              Who says I’m against single payer healthcare? I was just continuing the joke about lard-ass coworkers. No matter what the healthcare system is a healthier population results in less crowded hospitals and better access to those who need it.

            • galloog1@lemmy.worldEnglish
              312·
              2 years ago

              Idiots like them suddenly have a reason to get involved in your life for all the reasons above. Suddenly you are in discussions regarding tobacco and other drugs costing everyone money. You don’t exercise? That means you are less of a citizen. This is very much why this would not be a good federal program.

      • Powerpoint@lemmy.caEnglish
        301·
        2 years ago

        Healthcare should not be tied to employment

        • douglasg14b@lemmy.worldEnglish
          63·
          2 years ago

          100% it shouldn’t but that’s not the point here, and doesn’t actually change anything about the topic at hand.

          The unfortunate reality is that our healthcare is tied to our employment. This also means the side effects of that unfortunate reality are also real.

          Not that I’m agreeing with the way things are I’m simply explaining that the way things are means that such argument doesn’t discount the fax or serve as any sort of counter.

          • Quokka@quokk.auEnglish
            9·
            2 years ago

            Okay, but this story is about China.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        6·
        2 years ago

        Company is in China, pretty sure they provide no benefits whatever.

      • kase@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        lardass

        Y’know, something tells me you’re just saying this bc you hate fat people.

    • isles@lemmy.worldEnglish
      385·
      2 years ago

      Reading further, walking is only counted at a 0.3 : 1 ratio of distance, for no conceivable reason. So you can run for ~12 minutes or walk for ~1 hr, it seems.

      But why should my bonus be tied to something that is not at all related to my work? Should I get a pay cut if I eat a Dorito? Am I worthy enough of a pittance, CEO? Or should I be jumping through literal hoops?

    • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
      396·
      2 years ago

      The issue isn’t whether it’s a healthy idea. The issue is that the employer is overstepping personal and professional boundaries.

      • Sarmyth@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1512·
        2 years ago

        Is it overstepping? If the bonus criteria aren’t laid out in the compensation package at the time of hiring, it’s petty much whatever they want, provided they can find a suitable way to accommodate employees that would be at a disadvantage due to protected class.

        I wonder how they are ensuring the collected data is accurate.

        Edit: If it’s just a fitness app, then I’m crushing it on the daily just existing, and I am not a fit man. Hell, I’d be getting a 130% bonus.

        • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
          216·
          2 years ago

          Absolutely it is. Anything that is not related to my job performance is none of my employer’s business and should be off the table when it comes to determining compensation or bonuses.

          • ClarkDoom@lemmy.worldEnglish
            610·
            2 years ago

            The overall health of a workforce affects health insurance rates and every employee. The more unhealthy a workforce is, the more money comes out of your check for insurance. This is why wellness programs exist at companies.

            • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
              215·
              2 years ago

              Just because it’s good for the company does not mean it’s not overstepping boundaries.

          • Sarmyth@lemmy.worldEnglish
            48·
            2 years ago

            The boss believes their employees’ fitness is a direct correlation to the success of the company, which makes it related to their job performance.

            I agree this is a strange belief to be held by an employer. The business gets to define the relevance, especially if they are gonna base so much of your compensation off of it.

            • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
              142·
              2 years ago

              I’m sure there are lots of ways bosses might want their employees to change in their personal lives because it might benefit the company. But that’s the part that’s overstepping.

              • itsprobablyfine@feddit.ukEnglish
                24·
                2 years ago

                What if you got a bonus for taking an external training? Still no? This seems like a weirdly hard line to draw fo a bonus

                • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
                  4·
                  2 years ago

                  Training in a job related field is actually related to job performance.

                  But it’s not really about the bonus. It’s about the boundaries. I see no problem with setting hard boundaries between personal life and work life.

        • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
          84·
          2 years ago

          Yet, the SJWs of America come out of the wood work to berate an idea of trying to move a little bit more and use “disabilities” as a shield to trying to do something that is healthy for

          I haven’t said anything about disabilities.

            • Melllvar@startrek.websiteEnglish
              94·
              2 years ago

              I assumed you were addressing me and my point since you posted your comment as a direct response to me and my comment. That is usually how internet comments work.

              Thank you for clarifying.

    • derf82@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4419·
      2 years ago

      First, disabled people exist.

      Second, the article makes it clear walking only counts for 30% credit.

      Third, if you are not doing it, starting can be very difficult.

      Fourth, the top bonus requires 62 miles per month.

      Last, why should there be a bonus based on something unrelated to your work?

      • LotrOrc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        66·
        2 years ago

        If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out

        One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking. If you can’t do that then quite honestly you’re not in any sort of good shape.

        62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day. If you’re not walking at least a mile a day you are doing your body a massive disservice

        Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?

        • derf82@lemmy.worldEnglish
          51·
          2 years ago

          If you’re not doing it getting a giant bonus would be a good motivator to go out

          A better motivator would be giving credit for improvements rather than requiring the same of all regardless of age, fitness level, and disability. The only thing this would motivate me to do is find another job.

          One mile a day is really really easy to do. Jogging or walking.

          Walking only counts for 0.3 of jogging, so it is 3.33 miles of walking

          My doctor has specifically advised against jogging due to the impact on my knees.

          62 miles a month is slightly over a mile a day.

          Math isn’t your strong suit, huh? That is over 2 miles a day, Or 6.67 miles if you walk.

          Why not if this is both easy to do and a benefit for your own health?

          You miss the point. It may be easy for you, but it is not easy for everyone.

        • dasgoat@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2111·
          2 years ago

          ‘Prevents you from moving’

          Buddy I can walk just fine but if you ask my hypermobile and asthmatic ass to run, I’m just not going to. I can’t. My legs and lungs are fucked up. Guess I don’t get the extra bonus, oh well. Sucks.

          If you’re heavy, running can be a real challenge. ‘Promoting fitness’ isn’t done through a braindead scheme like this. Not for people who need guidance and help to get into a body shape they can be happy and healthy in.

          You know who will get the extra bonus? Healthy people who are able to run, and who have no health conditions to begin with.

          You are really, really underestimating the range of disabilities people can have while they can still function at their jobs. And how this braindead scheme excludes people for things outside of their control.

          And also, ‘not be a slob’. Am I a slob because I can’t just run a mile? You take my legs that bend like a silly straw and my lungs that collapse in on themselves and feel like they’re filled with cat litter that is on fire, and see if you run a mile.

          Jfc calling us slobs. Go fuck yourself.

        • Chetzemoka@startrek.websiteEnglish
          9·
          2 years ago
          1. Lmao NO. Disabled people work. We have this whole law about it and everything in the United States where employers have to provide reasonable accommodations and allow you time off work without compromising your job status.

          I’m disabled. I work full time. I could not fulfill these exercise requirements, but I can hold down a job. That is not a rare category of human being.

          We should have universal healthcare, not this nonsense from a private employer.

        • derf82@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 years ago

          If you have a condition that prevents you from moving/ elevated heart rate, chances are you not working and already on disability.

          Ah, no. Plenty of us work. Desk jobs exist. I sit at one now. I have been told by my doctor I should not jog or run due to the impact to my knees.

          I understand the article says this but how do you police it. Put your fitness tracker to “Outdoor run” and call it day. Unless there are stricter measurements around heart rate and minimum speeds I don’t fully buy this.

          So you don’t know how they police it, but 1 sentence later you see how easy it is to police.

          So start. If a company is going to incentivize you to not be a slob maybe just go do it. Life isn’t fair. Stop making excuses and be a better version of yourself.

          Ah, the old “life isn’t fair” copout. Why should we not do our best to be fair?

          Idk, maybe they want their employees to not die of heart failure at 40 and see them grow to be old and successful.

          Ah, yes, because there is no daylight between the binary options of heart failure at 40 and growing old.

            • derf82@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              2 years ago

              Clearly. I said likely, not “all”. Likely assumes situations in which that is not true which in this case is the exact thing you said. Thank you for reiterating.

              You still have it wrong. You can’t just show up and easily get disability benefits. And that statement still reinforces the lie that the disabled are lazy, when the disabled want to work. And that is only people that meet the definition of disabled. There are surely more people with physical limitations that don’t otherwise qualify as “disabled”.

              No where do they talk about this.

              They specifically say walking only gets 1:0.3 credit. How can you assume that is unpoliced when it is a specific policy? The logical assumption is that is IS policed since they took the time to give lesser credit to walking.

              Life isn’t fair. It’s not a cop out. Exceptions can and need to be made.

              And they have no exceptions. That is the point.

              So let’s just prevent all people in society from healthy activities because it discriminates. Let’s drag all of society down to the same playing field for fairness. Solid reasoning. You know what’s easier reasoning to reconcile. Exceptions to the rule.

              What a straw man. No one is preventing people from healthy activities.

    • BaardFigur@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      2 years ago

      And research has proven walking those 20 minutes is a very beneficial for your health

  • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldEnglish
    586·
    2 years ago

    Unless the company is going to allow me to run in company time or pay me my base pay plus overtime on top of the bonus that’s a hard fuck no from me.

    Company wants my time, they better damn well pay for it.

    ETA. Thinking about it more, nah this whole running for your bonus is bullshit and I wouldn’t do it even if they paid me overtime since running/exercising unless your job is directly related to it, running has nothing to do with work performance which the bonus is based on.

    • xarexyouxmadx@lemmy.worldEnglish
      173·
      2 years ago

      But they are paying you for it. Not for your time specifically but for your distance. Idk if you read the article but highest tier is 130% of your base salary.

      • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldEnglish
        156·
        2 years ago

        No they are not. A bonus is for your performance at work and when I run it’s on my own damn time.

        IDGAF how much of a bonus it is, 30% is all fine and dandy but again, if they aren’t letting employees run on company time or paying employees for the time while they run during their off hours, then it’s still a fuck no from me and it’s complete bullshit to base a performance based bonus on you doing shit on your off time.

        But hey, if you like having your company keeping tabs on how much you run vs how well you actually do at work for your bonus, I guess good for you, just not my cup of tea.

        • CoralMask146@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          2 years ago

          What if you get this bonus on top of your normal bonus? Would you walk then?

          • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 years ago

            Again, no because a bonus is based on your performance at work, how you coworkers performed, how you all performed together at work and unless your work was directly related to you and your team running and even then you’d be running on company time.

            A person running has fuck all to do with performance at work and thinking about it more especially more with the various people I have and do work with, I find myself thinking how this really is an assinine idea that is not only a overstep into community script territory but also could be a very shitty thing for employee morale.

            • CoralMask146@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 years ago

              A bonus can be anything. Doesn’t necessarily have to be tied to your performance. It’s called a discretionary bonus

              My question assumes you get your normal performance-based bonus… But you get an additional bonus based on your walking

              Maybe it’s just me, but I find it mind-boggling that you wouldn’t do it. You’re getting paid to be healthy, essentially…

          • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldEnglish
            51·
            2 years ago

            This screams I’m a complete moron that can’t understand or have a intellectual discussion over a topic so I’ll just do a dumbass ad hominem attack.

    • USA ONE@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 years ago

      DoD employees get paid to workout during the workday at least. It’s nice.

      • hydrospanner@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        2 years ago

        In theory.

        In practice, it has to be approved by your supervisor and is only for times when it won’t interfere with progress on actual work.

        So all they’ve gotta do is give you a lot of work to do…or just say no…and you don’t get that anymore.

        • USA ONE@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          It’s never been an issue for us. People go before they come in or at the end of the day. We’re at a Air Force base so if be different at other installations.

          • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            2 years ago

            Ok, so as a former Navy guy I have to ask, does golf count as “exercise” in the Air Force?

            • turmacar@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              2 years ago

              No because it’s assumed you’ll use the golfcart. Spinning in chairs counts if you do it long enough to work up a sweat.

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        2·
        2 years ago

        I mean, that kind of makes sense. “Maintain battle readyness” and all that. I would expect everyone in the military, law enforcement, or emergency response should be paid also.

        Firefighter isn’t going to carry someone down a flight of stairs if they have that “Body By Dunkin’”

        • USA ONE@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          2 years ago

          Thus why I did it, just didn’t like running.

    • Cyber Yuki@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      2 years ago

      I would add: And bonuses are a BS excuse to overwork employees and making them work overtime for free. Having to go above and beyond simply to earn the end of year bonus caused me huge amounts of stress, anxiety, depression, and even affected my physical health.

      You know how I solved that problem? By quitting and moving to a better company.

    • LotrOrc@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      2 years ago

      I mean being active anyway is a good thing for you And if the bonus is 30% of your monthly salary each month to do a bare minimum of movement that sounds like easy money

    • The Uncanny Observer@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      14·
      2 years ago

      So just don’t take the bonus, then? Easy enough. Bonuses aren’t part of your normal wages. They’re given, not owed, not unless you do whatever they say you have to in order to earn them. So if you don’t feel like doing whatever it is that your company demands in order to receive the bonus, then just don’t do it and don’t get the money.

      You should probably run miles each month anyway so maybe you won’t die in your sixties from heart disease.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        2 years ago

        Yeah, what’s wrong with you and your stupid wheelchair? If you want a bonus, you should get up out of that wheelchair and start running on your stumps!

        • The Uncanny Observer@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          13·
          2 years ago

          Wait, is your argument here that people in wheelchairs are incapable of exercising? That’s pretty ableist, dude.

          • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
            31·
            2 years ago

            I’m pretty sure they’re incapable of running. You know, the thing they give bonuses for?

      • inclementimmigrant@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        "Oh hey, thanks to you and your team for working all that overtime these past few months to make sure the project was done on-time and turning this potential loss of a client around.

        However, we noticed that you and your team didn’t run enough during these months so we’re going to have to dock your bonus for the year but thanks for all of your hard work for the company."

        But yeah, just don’t take the bonus.

  • Mothra@mander.xyzEnglish
    576·
    2 years ago

    Other than the disability, privacy and disability concerns already raised- Running is SO boring. What if you prefer other cardio activity or a mix of strength training and cardio? Why does it have to be running?

    • PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.worldEnglish
      171·
      2 years ago

      I also can’t see how this doesn’t open them up to lawsuits for any injuries incurred from a sprained ankle to a blown out knee or a heart attack. I’m a manager in a large company, and I got a bit nervous at some of the offsite activities, and those were mild things like dunk tanks. Plus I bet the entertainment company or venue carries that insurance. This is literally making the run part of the job, and it’s a relatively dangerous activity.

      • jimbolauski@lemm.eeEnglish
        61·
        2 years ago

        It’s in China… You might end up in a work camp for getting injured and speaking up about it.

      • Mothra@mander.xyzEnglish
        3·
        2 years ago

        You and most people in this thread are right but I’m sure that can’t be a concern in their legal framework, otherwise they wouldn’t have come up with the idea.

        • PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 years ago

          I know a number of companies that have introduced exercise programs. In every case it’s clearly done on the employee’s own time, is made accommodating, and the reward for completing your 4000 steps per day or whatever is a tee shirt or something. It’s not that these things can’t be done.

          Plus companies do stupid things that get them sued all the time. Look at Elon.

    • Aggy@kbin.social
      161·
      2 years ago

      The article says climbing and walking are both accepted.

      • SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        102·
        2 years ago

        It’s still a bit of a mockery to ask employees on wheelchairs to get up and walk if they want their bonuses.

        • Lath@kbin.social
          3·
          2 years ago

          Fu-- uhh jumping Jack is fine as well.

    • jimbolauski@lemm.eeEnglish
      64·
      2 years ago

      Running has always been where I was able to just let my mind wonder. It’s like meditating while exercising.

  • thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nzEnglish
    36·
    2 years ago

    The amount of bonus a worker gets is based on the number of miles they complete each month.

    I understand what they’re trying to do, but this is just not equitable. You’d have to figure out how to handle this for people who cannot run (such as wheelchair users). This greatly favours those with more free time and less obligations (such as people with no kids). It favours those already in shape and those who have fewer health issues.

    This will favour those who already have it better off, which is the opposite of equity.

    Good idea in theory, but I don’t like the model where it’s applied based on output.

    • DessertStorms@kbin.social
      154·
      2 years ago

      What is the good part in theory? I can’t see how what/how much exercise, if a person chooses/is able to do it at all, is relevant to their job? Especially in a company that makes paper??

      If employers want their employees to be happier and healthier they need to pay them better (for their work, not for whatever unrelated and out of hours activity they decide to “reward”) and give them more time off, anything else is profit seeking bullshit.

      • thatsTheCatch@lemmy.nzEnglish
        8·
        2 years ago

        Yeah good point. I should have said “interesting idea in theory.” I fully agree with you

  • Squeak@lemmy.worldEnglish
    323·
    2 years ago

    Run 2 miles/day to receive a bonus of 130% my salary? That seems insanely good value and this is coming from someone who has run about a total of 2 miles since I left school.

    Get the train to work and park just over a mile away, run to catch the train and go to work. After work run back to your car. Instant 130% salary increase

    • kttnpunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
      451·
      2 years ago

      Unless you’re disabled, elderly or otherwise unable to do this… Not to mention how is this tracked? I don’t want MY employer knowing what I do or where I go in my free time.

      • Squeak@lemmy.worldEnglish
        155·
        2 years ago

        Yes, of course there needs to be exceptions for those less able.

        It’s tracked by a fitness app according to the article. Just turn off permissions once you’ve finished your run.

        • 520@kbin.social
          171·
          2 years ago

          Ooo boy, time to fire up my GPS spoofer!

        • DessertStorms@kbin.social
          155·
          2 years ago

          Yes, of course there needs to be exceptions for those less able.

          So people would need to disclose their medical information to their employer now too, and also hope that they not only keep it private, but consider it at all, with all… none of their medical knowledge? Oh, sorry, only disabled people, you know, so that they can qualify for whatever “exceptions” to this discriminatory bullshit the boss comes up with…

        • Dalraz@lemmy.caEnglish
          82·
          2 years ago

          Only thing required is this to be made explicitly illegal.

      • agent_flounder@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        2 years ago

        In my company they gave you a fitbit type device. The deal wasn’t as good. I think it was free HSA money or something.

        • Neato@kbin.social
          123·
          2 years ago

          Dystopia on top of dystopia. Need a special fund to not die when sick. Job makes you do extra. labor just to afford health care.

      • Sarmyth@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        2 years ago

        If someone wants to give me a nice Christmas present I’ll wear 2 watches. ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪

    • Neato@kbin.social
      123·
      2 years ago

      It’s because these employees needed these bonuses. They were essentially a normal part of their compensation. Now it’s being held hostage.

    • Ziggurat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      2 years ago

      It’s the amount that get crazy, my work has some goodies/benefit for people who exercises, but it’s like a free T shirt once in a while, a charity event where they give 1€ per kilometer to charity, and negotiated discount for some activities. But a 30% or even more bonus?

      I know what to ask to HR

    • Son_of_dad@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      2 years ago

      Michael Scott’s Dunder Mifflin Scranton Meredith Palmer Memorial Celebrity Rabies Awareness Pro-Am Fun Run Race For the Cure.

      That episode even had Kevin insisting he doesn’t want to run and Michael threatening to fire him.

      • PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        2 years ago

        Thanks for saving me the search.

        Also, there was the one where they were testing their sprinting speed with the radar sign, and Michael claimed he was running at 30 mph because a car drove by while he was going.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
    263·
    2 years ago

    100km/mo = 3.33km/day or A little over 2 miles a day.

    Which sounds do-able if you’re fit and healthy. But what if you’re disabled or partially disabled?

    • el_bhm@lemm.eeEnglish
      163·
      2 years ago

      Reality is you dont want to run every day. You can. But you should not for the sake of your joints.

      Realistically this should be 6-8kms, 3-4 times a week.

      • Pretzilla@lemmy.worldEnglish
        35·
        2 years ago

        Fast walking is about 90% of the benefits of running with 10% the injury potential (casual assessment)

    • LotrOrc@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      2 years ago

      If you can’t do 2 miles a day you are nowhere even close to the realm of a healthy person. Like not even within a 100 miles of healthy

      • jordanlund@lemmy.worldMEnglish
        1·
        2 years ago

        Or disabled. I found out yesterday I get to go back into a total contact cast for a foot deformity. :( I currently can’t walk to the mailbox, forget about two miles.

  • Avicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
    242·
    2 years ago

    Some guy pushes himself too much, dies from a heart attack and they cancel the initiative

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
    20·
    2 years ago

    At one previous company where I worked I started a karate dojo, and I gave voluntarily classes. About 40% of the company regularly trained with me and we all got ripped, it was awesome

  • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
    3112·
    2 years ago

    You don’t even need to be disabled to be unable to run or do heavy exercises. There are several conditions that can make running painful or impossible, like arthritis, athrosis, hernias, respiratory problems, etc.

    Tying the bonuses to how fit you are is straight up evil. I highly doubt the boss will pay for medical expenses of people that push themselves too far to get the most money, who, ironically, might effectively end up losing that extra money.

    Workers record their exercises and distances using fitness apps.

    Clearly nobody will find a way to cheat that, no siree!

    • Maslo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      16·
      2 years ago

      This area has been pretty well explored by Pokemon Go players already. On Android there’s an app called defit that has multiple options for adding fake exercise data to your Google fit account which is where Pokemon Go, and typically these insurance apps, pull their info from.

    • jimbolauski@lemm.eeEnglish
      85·
      2 years ago

      Walking is one of the fitness activities people that are not disabled can walk.

  • SharkyPants@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    2 years ago

    One of my previous jobs did something similar to this only without reward and public shaming as the punishment. We were all cube workers forced to do army standard tests and training after work.