Warlock: I promised my soul in exchange for great power.
Rogue: To which great power?
Warlock: All of them. Let them fight over it when I am dead.
Ahh, an Elder Scrolls protagonist
Hide out in Sovngarde
I knew a wizard that had traded his soul for favors so many times he was effectively immortal. He never went adventuring any more, just oversaw research in our flying screened tower. Since old age was the only feasible way he was going to die, which would cause a war between all the outer planes over ownership of his soul, no one would cause his death. He was 218 when I met him, and he was over 5000 years old, and a demigod of secrets, when I met him again, because of a mixup we had while inventing portal magic. We ended up 5000 years in the past and I went back to the present, but he stayed behind. Pagiathrakatos was an interesting dude. Got a compliment from a dwarf on his impressive beard.
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I have talked about Pagy, and Katherine Du’Cithrael on many other sites.
Do you happen to read Brust? This reads very Brust.
I haven’t. The DM that created him might have.
Big John Constantine energy.
Fiend: Look, I’ll take what I can get. Can I get the legs? I’ll take the legs. She can have the top part.
Archfey: Did you just call the head the “top part”? That is so fucked up.
Great Old One: wait its not called the top part? What do you call the tentacles at the end of the bigger tentacles?
Rogue: Waitasec, how many boons do you have?!
Warlock: I dunno, a bunch. I lost count.
Took me longer than it should have to realize this was about D&D, not programming.
I thought it was about programming and was wondering why the words only half seemed to mean something.
No I want to see a programming language with multiclassing. Not just inheritance or Interfaces, but properly being able to make an object from any two classes.
I’m gonna respect to 1/1/1/1/1 fighter/fighter/fighter/fighter/fighter so I can action surge 5 times in a round.
Your fighter is gonna be very disappointed when they find out which level they get action surge at
Didn’t say they were good at math
Unfortunately the DMG says that if a character somehow acquires the same feature more than once, only one counts.
The joke’s on you: thanks to min-maxing, the fighter can’t count in the first place!
“That’s great news! That means all your actions and damage don’t count!” - The DM
“Yeah, but neither does the damage I take!” *proceeds to do nothing but play on his phone for the session* - The Hypothetical Fighter I Now Hate
Also, you have an incredibly appropriate username for this conversation. Have you taken steps along the Path of the Muscle Wizard?
(Swipe typing autocorrect turned “steps” into “steroids” three times in a row. I think my phone is becoming sentient.)
No steroids, only muscle magic 💪🧙🤜
The short answer is the game wasn’t balanced around it.
I feel like Rogues (sneak attack) and Wizards (spell sculpting) in particular could abuse this heavily. Also any class that gets their subclass at level 1 or 2.
Also any class that gets their subclass at level 1 or 2.
To be fair those are also troublesome for regular multiclassing, or at least they are if you’re not using the 2024 “definitely not 5.5E” classes. The paladin with one level in warlock or sorcerer is a perennial favourite for a reason.
I’ll always love a paladin rouge multi even if it’s not the “best”. there’s just so many interesting story possibilities there.
Multiclassing because it’s fun even if it doesn’t work that well will always have a place in my heart. I’m currently playing a barely-functional monk/druid. I think I can get him to work, but right now his tiger wildshape is more of the paper variety
I’ve done monk/druid before. The mechanics are bad for it, but I love the story flavor of the two most likely to be utterly unarmed classes joining together to make someone whose body IS the weapon, in all of its forms.
This is the anwer. You could always homebrew your own game and try to balance it, and you’d start to find where the game breaks. Play 10,000 games like that, and patterns will emerge. Game developers spend a lot of time playtesting, and they still miss things. Just thinking of a new twist and asking why it doesn’t work is like asking why cars don’t have six wheels.
Why don’t cars have six wheels though.
The game isn’t balanced around multiclassing, either. If it were, everyone and there dog wouldn’t have difficult to explain backgrounds that involve blood magic, mysterious patrons, and devout faith in something.
FR. My Battle Smith Artificer can suddenly learn the Wizarding arts and summon a spell book mid-dungeon crawl despite most wizards spending their life learning those things. But despite being able to harness the weave into mundane objects, including armor, to enhance them, or create magic items wholecloth, and even create a living construct, I cannot actually create a magic suit of armor and become an armorer artificer, no matter how much I try.
(Assuming D&D 5E here)
I wonder what the best way to go about it would be? It can’t just work the same way as regular multiclassing since you’d effectively get no base class features for your second subclass
Remember the one rule of D&D everybody forgets, no matter how much Gygax emphasized it: if you don’t like a rule, don’t use it in your campaign. In my game I allow any and all combinations of classes. I might even allow a Paladin/Assassin, but the player would have to come up with a really good in-world rationale for it.
Well you see, one time an evil wizard cast a spell on the whole world…
I bet some obsessive nerd has converted DND to point buy (like wod, gurps, etc) instead of class and level based.
You get XP for stuff, and you can spend that as you like on all the stuff you’d get from leveling. Follow the recommended route and get a standard looking fighter. Or go crazy and buy nothing but hit dice. Or make a glass cannon by buying all the sneak attack dice and second attack (in case you miss) and nothing else.
Or, per this meme, buy superiority dice and maneuvers, and then also buy extended crit from champion.
It would be a mess. I think part of why dnd is popular is its comparably small decision space. There’s just not a lot of room to fuck up your character
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