That has literally been their policy since Mao. This is not news.
Xi seems to see it as a objective he intends to accomplish in his life.
So did his predecessors.
First Taiwan then the rest of Asia that isn’t India or Russia. They won’t stop.
They’ll never get Vietnam.
Well you’re not wrong. But the last time they tried, it was the Vietnamese communists that stopped them. Of course that was on the ass end of 60 years of near continuous combat experience.
“Never” is always a wrong thing to say.
Oh, we’re doing the Red Scare Dominoe Theory again?
It was so fun last time.
I agree about India, but you seem to overestimate Russia.
The populations and economies are just too different.
If PRC decides it needs the Russian Far East and wants it militarily, it’s going to take it. Maybe only the southern parts, they don’t need all the empty frozen land. Maybe in 20 years, maybe in 40, maybe in 80 years.
And in the very long term, if China subdues Central Asia in any way, then it can get a piece of southern Siberia too, but that’s like trying to predict WWII from Wallenstein’s times.
Eventually, if China is successful with its expansions, it will turn to Russia for more. I was talking more in my lifetime what could happen if everyone sits on its hands and lets China do as it pleases.
What importance did Taiwan hold before the chip era to raise Mao ze Donger?
The fact that it was the last refuge of the Chinese democratic republic he fought against for one thing.
The place is a jewel. Have you learned anything about it? You don’t just randomly become the world’s leading high tech manufacturer. They have great land, great resources, a great trading location, great people, great natural defenses… Any country on Earth would flip to have Taiwan.
How will China convince all those Taiwanese people to vote for unification?
Take a look at Hong Kong
In Chinese: “it sure would be a shame if I happened to lose control of all these bullets and bombs around
myyour country.”Bold of you to assume they’ll actually count the votes
They’ll just surrender to the lawful government of the Chinese Republic.
The PRC has always maintained that Taiwan is part of China and will be eventually incorporated back into PRC. (The ROC had the same position, but with respect to the mainland until 1991.) Taiwan was in fact part of China from 1683 until the Japanese started their imperial colonization of China and Korea, taking Taiwan in 1895. It would be news and a really big deal if the PRC stopped making that claim.
… will be eventually incorporated back into PRC
It has never been part of the PRC.
As far as the PRC is concerned Taiwan has always been part of the PRC. That was the point. The Taiwan policy of the PRC hasn’t changed.
It also depends on your personal definition of a “nation” and whether you consider the Chinese Civil War to be over.
Fun History Fact:
Truman wasn’t initially willing to involve the US in defending Taiwan from the PRC finishing the job in 1949, but no one bothered to tell them that, and then the Korean War kicked off and he instituted what would become known as the “Containment” policy.
Yeah. This is a dance that the USA and China have been doing for half a century. The agreed upon resolution has been that the USA doesn’t declare that Taiwan is a sovereign nation and China doesn’t invade in the near term.
My pet theory is that this was said specifically to destabilize the US. As others have said, this is not new. China has been saying this for a long time. But 100% the GOP is going to call Biden weak for not shutting Xi down and instead saying the US supports a "One China Policy " without any critical thought as to what the dynamics are.
This is to fire up the right wing base.
This is to fire up the right wing base.
Is it just me, or are they always fired up?
I genuinely don’t believe Republicans calling Biden weak or any similar situation affecting how people vote at this point.
It’s not about how people vote. It’s about getting people to vote. Emotionally charged people are more likely to vote/volunteer/donate etc.
I’m talking out of my ass by the way, I have nothing to prove any of this.
At this point Taiwan has been independent for a good long time so it’s probably time to recognize that. This comes down to what the people in Taiwan want. I’m guessing they are good with the current situation as it keeps tensions down but sooner or later they are going to have to make a hard choice and the US needs to back them on it. Either they vote for reunification (unlikely but you never know) or they unequivocally identify as not-China and completely independent. In the second case the US and world should be prepared to back Taiwan. What will actually happen? Well, if I were Taiwan, I wouldn’t want to piss of a neighbor like that who is likely to go psycho when you officially breakup. It’s like ripping off a bandaid. I would be terrified of what China will do no matter who is baking me up. Taiwan will have to make a choice sooner or later but I completely understand their hesitation.
Let’s make West Taiwan happen
You mean mainland Taiwan?
Ah, and now the China become the Chinese
I’m going back to my shame-corner…
You mean mainland Taiwan?
The only way the current strategy of both sides changes is if a major factor changes, otherwise this cold standoff is the most stable place for both sides on the matter.
It could be that an election in Taiwan is won by a very pro-China party - a similar thing led to rapid changes in Hong Kong. Or an American leader changes tactics dramatically because theres no longer an incentive to support Taiwan.
Taiwan needs to be careful to guard against either situation happening.
Differing from many superpowers that came before the US, the US has a reputation of following through on what it says it will do long term, and the vast geopolitical diplomatic reach of the Americans means that for now, China would experience too high an economic cost to try and change this balance unilaterally.
It could be that an election in Taiwan is won by a very pro-China party
For some reason, I don’t see this ever happening. Even if it does happen, I can easily see Western propaganda painting it as a sham-election or something.
They’re just that brazen with their bullshit to protect their interests.
…after US gets their chip manufacturing off the island.
When the US can make their own chips, they won’t be risking defending Taiwan.
How nice. So Taiwan leader can rule over all China. We don’t need China anymore. So generous of Xi.
What was Biden’s response? I’m too lazy/apathetic/ADHD to read the article.
China’s very own Cato. Ceterum censeo…
Gl on finally rejoining R.O.C under R.OC leadership. Didn’t think it would ever happen
The US won’t allow it given how much industry there is of strategic importance to the US.
For now. There’s already shovels in the ground for the US to make their own advanced semi-conductors
That is gonna take ages and the whole rest of the supply chain is in Asia too. Also all the personnel lives in Taiwan. There’s more to chip manufacturing than just buying the ASML machines.
And that’s not going well since TSMC wants slaves & US engineers have better options.
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It’s absolutely insane and genocidal for you to wish for the drowning of millions of civilians.
Its what is left available to Taiwan if all else fails. They don’t have nukes, but they do have (probably) enough missiles to breach the shitty construction of the dam. This is no different than the MAD doctrine.
It’s MADdening that you believe that the US won’t be nuked for giving weapons to Taiwan and directing them to kill millions of people in mainland China. Taiwan doesn’t want to go to war with China and they’ve always wanted reunification. The US wants to divide and conquer China and should stop before it creates a nuclear catastrophe.
Lol ok. If Taiwan has always wanted reunification then why hasn’t it happened yet? Were they waiting for an invitation? This is bad Chinese astroturfing.
Lol Taiwan and China have both claimed to be the “real China” but Taiwan is just a small separatist holdover of a civil war that ended nearly 75 years ago. Since they can’t run the show, they’re trying to be a wedge for US imperialism in east Asia. The People of Taiwan are Chinese citizens and the US should stop encouraging them to go to war to destroy themselves and their country.
How petty the mainland Chinese must be if they cannot move on from a small island after three quarters of a century.
Petty is when your girlfriend keeps your favorite shirt after the breakup.
Refusing to admit you lost a civil war 75 years ago and blowing up a major dam, killing 35 million people to stall unification is genocide.
Do you believe the US has any hope of conquering China?
None, and trying will end in defeat and possibly nuclear war.
Ok, then why continue lying about it and pretending China has to act against Taiwan to prevent it?
I think the reason the US is lying is because they believe that they can undermine China’s position. They want to damage the country in some way to maintain their status as the sole superpower, but it’s too late for that. China is entrenched as a leader in world industry and attempting to contain them is impossible.
So China wants to be nuked by the US because of not backing down with their aggression in this case?
Some of the Chinese nukes would be shot down in such a course of events - there are systems like THAAD. AFAIK China doesn’t have anything similar, so the response strike is going to be more efficient.
There’s no rule or law preventing two Chinese states from existing on one planet. You pretending otherwise doesn’t change anything.
Should China have this ideological adherence to reclaiming Taiwan, and be ramping up for a deadly and horrible invasion for it? No.
Should the biggest industries on the planet and ultimately all technology users depend on the independence of a tiny island nation that has an unresolved civil war with an authoritarian superpower? Hell no.
But those aren’t the questions we have to answer. We have to answer insane questions like “what will happen if China tries to seize Taiwan?” When the questions are insane, the answers are never good.
Wish? The fact you have to put words in my mouth to attempt to form an argument says more about you than me.
Translation: We still intend to have the U.S. destroy us.
Why do you think they want us to have a civil war so bad lol
