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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/51503416
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“This impacts me now, therefore I allow myself to be rational.”
Cool, I guess.
Better late than never, I suppose. Although I would have preferred sooner. It’s crazy how all the things conservatives are scared of are so far away and in distant places yet as soon as they see it first hand they’re like “oh shit, I was just an asshole.” Kinda proves that not all of them are awful people to begin with, I guess. They were just gullible.
It’s crazy how all the things conservatives are scared of are so far away and in distant places yet as soon as they see it first hand they’re like “oh shit, I was just an asshole.”
I watched the Utah governor’s press conference and he literally says something like, “I’ve spent 33 hours praying it was someone not from here, someone who came in here, someone from out of the country”. Like dude, you have an entire echo chamber set up to make and keep your people angry, your entire political machine is geared to keep them angry, and y’all have advocated for the right to shoot people for so long that you literally can’t take their guns away, and you thought oh, it’ll be someone from out of state? He was so upset he was almost crying. Still can’t admit any of that, though.
Out of state is a charitable interpretation, a more cynical one would be a conservative leaning individual instead of a liberal or minority.
When he said “out of state” or whatever the exact words that he said, I pretty much interpreted his meaning as “liberal, Democrat, or minority”. But since that’s my interpretation of what he said, I went with what he actually said. [Well, fairly close, it’s not an exact quote.]
Yeah I thought about the same.
I think the another state part was partially covering up what he actually meant with the ‘us’ before it. The way he phrased it ‘us’ could mean either he was hoping the shooter wasn’t a conservative or that it was an out of country/state citizen who was not his problem. I think he meant the conservative interpretation and added the out of state part as a rhetorical tactic to disguise or professionalize his real intent.
relevant quote for reference: “For 33 hours, I was … I was praying that if this had to happen here, that it wouldn’t be one of us. That somebody drove from another state, somebody came from another country,” he said. “Sadly, that prayer was not answered the way I hoped for. Just because I thought it would make it easier on us if we could just say ‘Hey, we don’t do that here.’”
They aren’t gullible so much as living up to the American ideal. What’s more American than being frightened, angry, greedy, ignorant and selfish, while telling yourself you are god’s chosen?
It’s like, orphan crushing machine adjacent or something, lol
Bigot that hates ethnic minorities, LGBT people, disabled people, poor people has now stopped hating gay people.
Well he affirms black, gay, and Muslim people. Women are a step too far though.
A good representative of the people doesn’t wait until it affects them personally, they have empathy for others in situations that they may never experience. Better late than never, I guess.
Such an important distinction and observation, thank you for highlighting and stating it plainly
I think it’s very human to react with “oh now you care”, but being realistic - what’s the alternative for accepting their change of mind? These people won’t just stop existing and there’s already so many of them. Getting as many as possible to change is so much better than becoming like them and wanting to erase everyone in the wrong or some crazy shit.
No matter how hard it is, we kinda have to welcome them, because only that way anyone that might still be persuaded can see it is in fact possible to change their mind, that they won’t just be fully abandoned from society when their “own” turn on them. It is hard enough to admit you were wrong, but us being smug about it doesn’t exactly lower the bar. Of course it’s fucking difficult considering all the shit assholes of these types say and do, but again… what else can we do if we genuinely want to better the world?
Problem is that having social power actually affects the brain, suppressing the parts that do empathy.
It will always be harder, neurologically, for someone with power to engage their empathy or to consider the pain of others in their decisions.
Hence gestures at the world.
“I’ve had enough of politics as performance art,”
I wonder how many republican politicians don’t believe the propaganda they are told to spread for money.
Most fascists are in it for personal gain. Hitler’s inner circle were notoriously power hungry and backstabbing towards each other.
Oops, said the quiet part out loud.
Only when it directly affects them.
So now Democrats have another right leaning, MAYBE centrist to drag them down and to the right. Cool.
The legislator in the title is Cyrus Javadi. He is a Oregon state level legislator, serving in the lower house. His district is the coastal area west of Portland, and he is now serving his second term, after winning with around a 5% margin.
This makes no difference to the makeup of the Oregonian legislature. Democrats have a majority in the state senate, and a super majority in the house, by two members. It doesn’t swing the state’s legislature, but it is always a good thing when people can see the errors of their ways and make a change.
Great, so now they not only can turn you gay, but also DEMOCRAT? It’s the end I tell you, the end.
That’s cool. He still needs to be primaried next election.
Last year, Javadi voted with then-fellow Republicans to recriminalize drug possession in Oregon, leading to nearly 2,600 arrests solely for possession in the year since. Javadi is also anti-abortion, enthusing “The Constitution wins!” after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022 in a Facebook post that misleadingly stated “abortions are legal for any reason up to the moment of birth in Oregon.” (Post-viability abortions are extremely rare, and usually occur because of a life-threatening complication or an inability to access care at an earlier stage.) In 2024, Javadi sponsored an unsuccessful bill to place restrictions on abortions after 15 weeks.
Yeah … oof
when your entire platform is based on hate and violence, there isnt much leeway to do anything actually “conservative”
…it’d be nice if these folks who have their epiphany actually stay republican, and use their position to instigate some critically needed reform. It doesn’t actually have to be the party of regressivism, hatred, and bigotry. Granted, remove those things (and the feel-good wrapping paper they use to package those things) and there’s not a whole lot left to work with… but if you can find even a few gems to pick out of the sewage, that’s enough to campaign on. Build something new from there. Call out your extremist peers for what they are and save your fucking party.
I think that’d turn out roughly as successfully as trying to change the police from the inside. They’re just going to make you go away.
