• Son_of_dad@lemmy.worldEnglish
    572·
    2 years ago

    Exactly. Argentina has had an issue with right wing, backwards ass idiots for a long time. They’re getting what they wanted

    • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
      773·
      2 years ago

      Is funny to claim people are “backwards idiots” when it’s literally the first time in history this political spectrum (anarcho-capitalist) has been elected. What’s fresher than a first time ever?

      • Son_of_dad@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        2 years ago

        They can call themselves whatever they want this decade, they’re nothing new.

        • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
          441·
          2 years ago

          In that case would you mind explaining what they are that has already been there and has only gotten a glow up?

          I bet historians and economists would love to be enlightened

            • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
              318·
              2 years ago

              It appears that we have different definitions of fascism

              “A far right political ideology that is anti-democratic, ultra nationalist, and totalitarian”

              Which… yeah doesnt fit at all to his so far 7 days of government

      • jonne@infosec.pubEnglish
        371·
        2 years ago

        Lol, if you think this guy is anything other than your run of the mill fascist, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

        • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
          323·
          2 years ago

          Ah yes, fascists. Not like those werent in power until 2 weeks ago and the opposing candidate to Milei wasnt using government power to investigate, accuse and imprison (if not kill) those who made campaign against him

          Not that has anything to do with Milei, but when you consider that… and the fact that Milei has done nothing but comply to his campaign promises you gotta wonder whos the real fascist… or even the definition

      • Fox@pawb.socialEnglish
        21·
        2 years ago

        “The state is not going to pay for the use of the security forces; organizations that have legal status will have to pay or individuals will have to bear the cost”

        The state sending invoices to accused protesters is a about the least ancap thing I’ve ever seen. Such a fresh take.

        • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
          41·
          2 years ago

          German police as well as courts of account have actually been lobbying to make football clubs pay for the operations they cause for quite some while. Would be tied to events with a commercial orientation attracting crowds > 5000 people or something along those lines.

        • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
          222·
          2 years ago

          Considering that the security forces will only incur when protesters take away the fundamental right of transiting the streets… which is a crime, an Invoice instead of prison is rather light

          Now is it anarcho capitalist? Well people paying for their actions and its consequences being a law sounds rather anarcho-capitalist to me

            • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
              18·
              2 years ago

              The principle of no-agression and respecting the other’s freedom are literally the principles or Anarcho-capitalism

              This measures ensure that those are enforced, how is it against anarcho-capitalism?

              • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
                7·
                2 years ago

                I never signed no no-aggression treaty and as ancaps don’t consider social contracts valid I’d say I’m free to to whatever the fuck I want.

                • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
                  1·
                  2 years ago

                  What are you on about?

                  Are you confusing principles and ideals of an ideology for an instated regime? Or what’s your point here

                  • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
                    2·
                    2 years ago

                    I didn’t say anything about any regieme. I was speaking plain and simple Ancap ideology which is so obviously broken (as I demonstrated) that it’s funny. It’s a collection of soundbites, sounding good to neoliberal edgelords, masquerading as principles, which break apart as soon as you connect them up because they contradict each other. As, to wit, the “everyone is bound to non-aggression” and “there’s no such thing as a social contract” thing. I don’t even have to bring up that private property is violence in itself.

      • JJROKCZ@lemmy.worldEnglish
        131·
        2 years ago

        Names mean nothing, their actions are fascist

        • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
          317·
          2 years ago

          In that case, could you please number the “Actions” they’ve done that deem them fascist? It’s been 7 days of government, im sure you’ll have no issue narrowing them down in such a timeframe. I would like details if you are able to provide, thanks!

          • cheesepotatoes@lemmy.worldEnglish
            192·
            2 years ago

            Okay sure,

            Number 1: Threatening to jail and/or shoot protestors.

            That was a fun game, thanks.

            • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
              317·
              2 years ago

              Thanks for the summary, unfortunately I must correct some inaccuracies on the provided bullet points

              Number 1: The threat of Jail is only for those protesters who incur on Blocking Public roads and or depriving other citizens of their right to freely transit, which has always been against the law, which makes them Criminals. The threat of Jail is only for criminals. And the claim of shooting protesters is from someone NOT in the government, in fact they are opposition so it’s not attributable to the government in any way.

              Hope this helps to make a clearer vision of what they have/are actually doing, would you please be so kind to update the list so we can see how many fascist things they are doing with that clarified?

              • Nudding@lemmy.worldEnglish
                132·
                2 years ago

                Exactly, they should only protest out in the woods where nobody will be inconvenienced.

                • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
                  39·
                  2 years ago

                  Not out in the woods necessarily, but it certainly wouldnt make a horrible protest place either.

                  They just have to do it like how Argentines protested against The Minister of Economy ot the Previous Government (Milei’s opponent in the presidential elections) where they manifested, called and paid by no one (unlike these “Piqueteros” the article talks about), on a Sunday and blocked no streets or pathways. Simple as that!

                  • Nudding@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    52·
                    2 years ago

                    Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.

      • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
        132·
        2 years ago

        There’s been a gazillion times people from that particular political spectrum, that is, neo-feudalists, have been in power.

        No actual anarchist ever has ever considered ancaps to be anything else than that, ancaps plain and simply aren’t anarchist. You cannot be an anarchist while supporting systems of rule such as, to wit, capitalism.

        • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
          2·
          2 years ago

          “Ancaps arent Anarchists”

          Yes… exactly. I see you understand why they are called different things

          • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
            11·
            2 years ago

            Ancaps are called Ancaps by Anarchists for that reason, yes, not because “anarcho-” wouldn’t otherwise be indicative of actual anarchism. Anarcho-syndicalism, anarcho-primitivism, the list is endless. Luckily we got spared Anarcho-withoutadjectivesism.

            Either they’re trying to appropriate our good reputation, or they’re just clueless idiots. Or both. Very likely both.

            • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
              2·
              2 years ago

              Or… neither?

              Words have meanings beyond the people that use them, if the meaning is appropiate for representing something, it shall be used.

              Is not like “Phobia” is on many “Phobias” just for the sake of it.

              • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                2 years ago

                No, words don’t have meaning to Ancaps or they would never have chosen the “anarcho-” prefix.

                • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
                  2·
                  2 years ago

                  What would have you chosen instead then? Something more precise would be good to know.

                  • barsoap@lemm.eeEnglish
                    21·
                    2 years ago

                    Neofeudalism. Ancaps are people who want their own little fiefdoms just that instead of justifying their rule by the grace of god, they justify it by the “grace” of the unregulated market. Which they, as neolibs generally do, like to equivocate with the free market.

        • Coki91@dormi.zoneEnglish
          33·
          2 years ago

          Half the country doesn’t know how to read

          Half the country voted for the Minister of Economy that ran the economy to the ground, used 2 Points of the Country’s GDP for his Political campaign and was also Defacto President the past 2 Years (not democratically elected) using the Ideology that has governed Argentina for 20 Years now

          I think you just cracked the code who the “Backwards idiots” you so speak of might be