Is Israel stealing land in the Gaza strip? Unlike the West Bank there are no settlements and the border is a clearly defined wall. I agree if they forcibly resettle the population and claim the strip for themselves that would be ethnic cleansing, but they haven’t done that.
Pushing civilians out of a city during war is common practice (see literally any Eastern Ukrainian city). Pushing them out of their country is not. Gaza is essentially an urban city-state which conflates these two actions.
Yup that’s bad and I appreciate the source, thanks. The devil’s advocate counterpoint would be that virtually all nations have intelligence “concepts” for wildly implausible actions they have no intention of pursuing. It’s kind of the job of the intelligence agency to prepare for any potential eventuality. I’m pretty sure the US has detailed plans for war with Canada, should they be needed. Egypt is the country who originally locked the Gaza Strip down - there is next to zero chance Israel could force a resettlement in Egypt. But if they made an actual attempt, it would be ethnic cleansing. At that point, should the US government continue support, this case would actually have merit.
The difference here is the Palestinians don’t have passports, they can’t return. Even our war plans with Canada don’t include genocide, this plan does (because there is no opportunity to return).
I love how you still can’t counter my point that what Israel is doing in the west bank is ethnic cleansing. You’re argument is honestly hilarious, I don’t even want to report it so more people can read how stupid you are
I understand that you may have come in looking for a wider discussion, but this thread has always been about the genocide lawsuit and the civilian casualty counts, both of which clearly refer to Gaza, not the West Bank. It sounds like any discussion of the facts on the ground constitutes “minimizing ethnic cleansing” in your book, which indicates that you’re approaching this with a closed mind. Have a nice day.
I’m not here to argue semantics, the spirit of the law / the spirit of the court case is consistent with their claims of ethnic cleaning, which you already agreed with. Is debating the letter of the law over the spirit of law, when it comes ethnic cleansing, really where you want to sit on your high horse?
Yes. They are stealing land in the Gaza strip. They are also stealing land in the West Bank. None of it was theirs to begin with, but the old “agreed upon” lines don’t exist anymore either.
Their government and wealthy elite have made their intentions very clear with repeated statements. You don’t need to wait for a genocide to be done to act. In fact it’s preferable if you don’t.
I imagine the Genocide claim will be aided by the targeting of hospitals which are highly restricted targets in wartime which even if their protected status is removed requires a lot of very specific measures to be taken to not be a warcrime. Since the permit system allowing use of Israeli hospitals to Palistinian patients has not relaxed and has for the most part closed up shop it is a bad look.
Not to mention the Israeli government had made outright statements that they intend to starve the civilians of food, water and fuel (fuel being fairly key to sanitation ). In fact they have actively attempted to block international relief efforts in the region so wouldn’t that mean they are :
“Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”
After all if you starve people in unsanitary conditions and take any medical care options effectively off the table I would imagine a fairly large part of the group would die as a consequence. I imagine the actual brief will have many counts as to why this is specifically a Genocide but all they need to do is fail one.
Is Israel stealing land in the Gaza strip? Unlike the West Bank there are no settlements and the border is a clearly defined wall. I agree if they forcibly resettle the population and claim the strip for themselves that would be ethnic cleansing, but they haven’t done that.
Pushing civilians out of a city during war is common practice (see literally any Eastern Ukrainian city). Pushing them out of their country is not. Gaza is essentially an urban city-state which conflates these two actions.
They have openly stated that’s their intention, not succeeding yet is not a measure of how much they want to succeed.
Can you offer any proof of that beyond some disgusting statements by the finance minister, who is not setting military policy?
Just Google it my dude:
The Israeli Intelligence ministry, in a ‘concept paper,’ proposes transferring Gaza civilians to Egypt https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-population-transfer-hamas-egypt-palestinians-refugees-5f99378c0af6aca183a90c631fa4da5a
Yup that’s bad and I appreciate the source, thanks. The devil’s advocate counterpoint would be that virtually all nations have intelligence “concepts” for wildly implausible actions they have no intention of pursuing. It’s kind of the job of the intelligence agency to prepare for any potential eventuality. I’m pretty sure the US has detailed plans for war with Canada, should they be needed. Egypt is the country who originally locked the Gaza Strip down - there is next to zero chance Israel could force a resettlement in Egypt. But if they made an actual attempt, it would be ethnic cleansing. At that point, should the US government continue support, this case would actually have merit.
The difference here is the Palestinians don’t have passports, they can’t return. Even our war plans with Canada don’t include genocide, this plan does (because there is no opportunity to return).
Unlike a specific case that completely proves my point? Palestinians have homes in the west bank and Israel is still colonizing that land
We’re talking about Gaza in this thread. Any evidence of stealing land in Gaza?
I love how you still can’t counter my point that what Israel is doing in the west bank is ethnic cleansing. You’re argument is honestly hilarious, I don’t even want to report it so more people can read how stupid you are
What Israel is doing on the West Bank is ethnic cleansing. Done. Let’s return to Gaza now.
Cool, now read through every comment. This thread never mentioned Gaza, so get out of your own ass. You’re minimizing ethnic cleansing
I understand that you may have come in looking for a wider discussion, but this thread has always been about the genocide lawsuit and the civilian casualty counts, both of which clearly refer to Gaza, not the West Bank. It sounds like any discussion of the facts on the ground constitutes “minimizing ethnic cleansing” in your book, which indicates that you’re approaching this with a closed mind. Have a nice day.
I’m not here to argue semantics, the spirit of the law / the spirit of the court case is consistent with their claims of ethnic cleaning, which you already agreed with. Is debating the letter of the law over the spirit of law, when it comes ethnic cleansing, really where you want to sit on your high horse?
Yes. They are stealing land in the Gaza strip. They are also stealing land in the West Bank. None of it was theirs to begin with, but the old “agreed upon” lines don’t exist anymore either.
Please point me to any Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip.
Their government and wealthy elite have made their intentions very clear with repeated statements. You don’t need to wait for a genocide to be done to act. In fact it’s preferable if you don’t.
I imagine the Genocide claim will be aided by the targeting of hospitals which are highly restricted targets in wartime which even if their protected status is removed requires a lot of very specific measures to be taken to not be a warcrime. Since the permit system allowing use of Israeli hospitals to Palistinian patients has not relaxed and has for the most part closed up shop it is a bad look.
Not to mention the Israeli government had made outright statements that they intend to starve the civilians of food, water and fuel (fuel being fairly key to sanitation ). In fact they have actively attempted to block international relief efforts in the region so wouldn’t that mean they are :
“Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”
After all if you starve people in unsanitary conditions and take any medical care options effectively off the table I would imagine a fairly large part of the group would die as a consequence. I imagine the actual brief will have many counts as to why this is specifically a Genocide but all they need to do is fail one.