• Goferking0@ttrpg.network
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    11 months ago

    Nah it’s not that it’s libertarianism failing it’s just that idiots version of it failing

    What they’ll say when it fails or next time someone else tries to implement their ideals

    • jaybone@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      But what will Lemmy communists say when you point out USSR and China?

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        11 months ago

        To be fair USSR after communism was leagues better than USSR before communism ever could have been. But it’s not exactly proving much pointing out that an extremely unequal authoritarian regime is worse than a more equal but still authoritarian regime.

        I don’t think the comparison works anyway because this is a true example of exactly what most libertarians have wet dreams of, while with communism people try to use e.g. the USSR and PRC to discredit leftism as a whole (especially socialism) even though any leftist worth their salt would realize authoritarianism is bad and creates a dangerous hierarchy, which is why Marx and Engels specified their ideologies to be democratic.

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        11 months ago

        Libertarian and communist aren’t the only political options if your education didn’t top out at ninth grade.

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        I don’t think China succeeded because of communism. They succeeded because Rich Industrialists in the west did not want to share their success with ordinary people and hence shifted all their work to China where the government ensured a steady supply of cheap labour. Of course, this only worked because the Chinese population was so poor that what were considered bad wages in the west was significantly more money than they would get back home.

        Now this kind of outsourcing of labour is what lead to countries coming out of poverty: what made them poor in the first place? Rampant colonialism by EU nations. You can see this in Africa, South America, Asia.

    • IHadTwoCows@lemm.ee
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      11 months ago

      It’s not that libertarianism has failed; it’s just that the wrong people have tried it!…”

    • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      Nah it’s not that it’s libertarianism failing it’s just that idiots version of it failing

      That’s what Communists always say, the only one they worship is Lenin cuz he didn’t have time to do anything anyway.

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      11 months ago

      It’s been a while since I even bothered arguing with libertarians, but wouldn’t they just point to Hong Kong and South Korea?

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        11 months ago

        Hong Kong which currently lives under an authoritarian regime, or South Korea which is a somewhat participatory executive democracy birthed from the corpse of an authoritarian regime?

        Neither is a hot spot of libertarianism. South Korea is peak neo-liberalism.

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          South Korea is peak neo-liberalism.

          Common neoliberal W

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          11 months ago

          which currently lives

          Massive eye roll.

          Yes, clearly they would be referring to Hong Kong post-97 unification.

          Really? Come on dude. Drop the snark, you need better quality contributions if you’re going to take that tone with other users here.