Forcing a person to experience gender dysphoria would qualify as a evil act in my book. You’d be directly lowering someone’s quality of life with no benefit to yourself, it’s absurdly anti-social behavior.
people who aren’t strongly connected to their gender or sex exist, so i’d hypothesize feminizing someone like that without consent might not be unwelcome.
yeah, in the case of Turing he was forced to take estrogen (which was called “chemical castration” because the estrogen usually eliminates fertility)
in the case of Reimer, they accidentally cut off his penis during a circumcision, so they surgically gave him a vulva and then raised him as a girl and gave him estrogen.
basically both were cases of cis men who were feminized by force
(I guess the direct comparison to the sword’s evil effect was the way these men were forced to take estrogen.)
Forced feminization of men is evil whether those men are cis or trans.
Its not a direct comparison. A direct comparison would be you have Sailor powers but you don’t like that it makes you a pretty girl while its active, since you can just not wield the sword. What you describe is just inhumane torture.
yes, I think the “forced feminization” fantasy is something trans women engage in because they’re women and living as a man is the inhumane torture you mentioned
but you mentioned the sword should be evil and thus only be able to be wielded by transmasc individuals, which started this whole discussion
my point is that it doesn’t matter whether the man is cis or trans for them to be tortured by feminization, and so the sword’s evil condition should really only allow it to be wielded by men (whether cis or trans). There’s nothing special about trans men that makes them uniquely tortured by feminization, all men are that way.
Perhaps the psychological struggle to accept that men don’t like feminization is due to the common denialism that trans women experience with accepting they really are women and not men?
either way, yes - I think it’s a good suggestion that the sword only be wielded by men to make it evil
(though, that sorta defeats the point of the transfem fantasy here, lol)
One is completely and easily reversable, more like a minor inconvenience to just drop the sword. The other is permanent and damaging. Not really comparable. But I am glad you wanted to come argue with me on a meme. Awesome.
there’s nothing really permanent or damaging about taking estrogen in the short-term (i.e. like wielding the sword), you can stop it after 3 months without any permanent effects, and after that the main permanent effect is breast growth
I think wielding the feminizing sword actually then is more like taking estrogen than you give credit. 🤔
Also, the meme doesn’t mention the sword’s effects are temporary - I assumed the sword’s estrogen effect wouldn’t disappear immediately upon being dropped, but that is an interesting idea (and maybe more aligned with the intent, I don’t know - I would assume as a trans meme oriented to transfem forced feminization fantasy that it would be disappointing for the estrogenizing effects to be temporary).
But I am glad you wanted to come argue with me on a meme. Awesome.
sorry, I don’t react well when people treat trans people as separate or not the same as cis people in terms of their gender - I was probably reacting poorly to the implication that trans men are somehow different than cis men in terms of how feminization effects them.
I don’t mean to be unpleasant or argumentative, but I think you have a point here, I do come across that way.
I’ll just block you so you don’t have to interact with me again. And I’m really sorry for not interacting with you well, I hope you have a better day (and better interactions with others). 🫶
But is it evil to feminize a cis man? I dont think so.
Forcing a person to experience gender dysphoria would qualify as a evil act in my book. You’d be directly lowering someone’s quality of life with no benefit to yourself, it’s absurdly anti-social behavior.
Forced feminization and feminization are two different things, it all depends on consent.
So youre saying feminization without consent isnt necessarily forced?
people who aren’t strongly connected to their gender or sex exist, so i’d hypothesize feminizing someone like that without consent might not be unwelcome.
Are you part of the GOP? Cause that is a wild spin
yes, it is very evil - see Alan Turing and David Reimer.
Castrating == feminizing. Holy shit.
yeah, in the case of Turing he was forced to take estrogen (which was called “chemical castration” because the estrogen usually eliminates fertility)
in the case of Reimer, they accidentally cut off his penis during a circumcision, so they surgically gave him a vulva and then raised him as a girl and gave him estrogen.
basically both were cases of cis men who were feminized by force
(I guess the direct comparison to the sword’s evil effect was the way these men were forced to take estrogen.)
Forced feminization of men is evil whether those men are cis or trans.
Its not a direct comparison. A direct comparison would be you have Sailor powers but you don’t like that it makes you a pretty girl while its active, since you can just not wield the sword. What you describe is just inhumane torture.
yes, I think the “forced feminization” fantasy is something trans women engage in because they’re women and living as a man is the inhumane torture you mentioned
but you mentioned the sword should be evil and thus only be able to be wielded by transmasc individuals, which started this whole discussion
my point is that it doesn’t matter whether the man is cis or trans for them to be tortured by feminization, and so the sword’s evil condition should really only allow it to be wielded by men (whether cis or trans). There’s nothing special about trans men that makes them uniquely tortured by feminization, all men are that way.
Perhaps the psychological struggle to accept that men don’t like feminization is due to the common denialism that trans women experience with accepting they really are women and not men?
either way, yes - I think it’s a good suggestion that the sword only be wielded by men to make it evil
(though, that sorta defeats the point of the transfem fantasy here, lol)
One is completely and easily reversable, more like a minor inconvenience to just drop the sword. The other is permanent and damaging. Not really comparable. But I am glad you wanted to come argue with me on a meme. Awesome.
there’s nothing really permanent or damaging about taking estrogen in the short-term (i.e. like wielding the sword), you can stop it after 3 months without any permanent effects, and after that the main permanent effect is breast growth
I think wielding the feminizing sword actually then is more like taking estrogen than you give credit. 🤔
Also, the meme doesn’t mention the sword’s effects are temporary - I assumed the sword’s estrogen effect wouldn’t disappear immediately upon being dropped, but that is an interesting idea (and maybe more aligned with the intent, I don’t know - I would assume as a trans meme oriented to transfem forced feminization fantasy that it would be disappointing for the estrogenizing effects to be temporary).
sorry, I don’t react well when people treat trans people as separate or not the same as cis people in terms of their gender - I was probably reacting poorly to the implication that trans men are somehow different than cis men in terms of how feminization effects them.
I don’t mean to be unpleasant or argumentative, but I think you have a point here, I do come across that way.
I’ll just block you so you don’t have to interact with me again. And I’m really sorry for not interacting with you well, I hope you have a better day (and better interactions with others). 🫶
Forced castration isnt permanent or damaging at all? Really? Taking estrogen is one thing but thats not whag we are talking about