Okay, you have the president pull out all the stops, including ones of ambiguous legality, to stop supply of aid to Israel. Most voters are opposed and raise an outcry. Congress overrides his limited authority and restores aid, and now the opposition party wins the upcoming election. They send even more aid to Israel’s genocide.
Wanna explain to me how that’s a better outcome?
We operate in a democracy. If you disregard the will of the voters when making decisions, all you’re doing is pissing away effort and influence in exchange for further losses at the ballot box, and little or no alleviation of the problem you wished to address, and very likely an aggravation of it.
Okay, you have the president pull out all the stops, including ones of ambiguous legality, to stop supply of aid to Israel. Most voters are opposed and raise an outcry. Congress overrides his limited authority and restores aid, and now the opposition party wins the upcoming election. They send even more aid to Israel’s genocide.
Wanna explain to me how that’s a better outcome?
the most recent aid package, so to speak, was Biden acting unilaterally to send more arms. this was entirely unnecessary. You’re right that he can’t (and shouldn’t) go against congress in terms of funding.
Doesn’t mean he needs to go around them to get them even more weapons. Doesn’t mean he needs to be pledging unconditional aid. Doesn’t mean he needs to be asking for aid from congress. And aiding Israel doesn’t necessarily mean we have to send munitions and other military hardware, either. they have one of the strongest militaries in the world- thanks to that long history of receiving our aid. one of if not the strongest military in the region.
We don’t need to be supporting genocide. We do, however, need a president with enough moral integrity to say that.
It sounds like we’re not actually in disagreement on principles, but arguing over what measures are acceptable in acknowledging the overwhelming popular and political support for continued Israeli aid.
I agree entirely that Biden speeding up arms sales was entirely unnecessary and reflective of his generally pro-Israel position, which is… not good, to say the least.
it’s not particularly thorny to be like “yeah, we can’t support that.”, though.
In a vacuum I’d agree. But in the context of most Americans still ignorantly in support of continued Israeli aid, it becomes… much thornier.
It’s not, though.
Israel is committing genocide. We’re supplying the weapons. We don’t need to supply the weapons.
You’re missing the point.
No im not missing it. Im actively disagreeing. You’re arguing that we should compromise on genocide for the sake of political expediency.
You have good intentions, which makes you a great road-paver.
Okay, you have the president pull out all the stops, including ones of ambiguous legality, to stop supply of aid to Israel. Most voters are opposed and raise an outcry. Congress overrides his limited authority and restores aid, and now the opposition party wins the upcoming election. They send even more aid to Israel’s genocide.
Wanna explain to me how that’s a better outcome?
We operate in a democracy. If you disregard the will of the voters when making decisions, all you’re doing is pissing away effort and influence in exchange for further losses at the ballot box, and little or no alleviation of the problem you wished to address, and very likely an aggravation of it.
the most recent aid package, so to speak, was Biden acting unilaterally to send more arms. this was entirely unnecessary. You’re right that he can’t (and shouldn’t) go against congress in terms of funding.
Doesn’t mean he needs to go around them to get them even more weapons. Doesn’t mean he needs to be pledging unconditional aid. Doesn’t mean he needs to be asking for aid from congress. And aiding Israel doesn’t necessarily mean we have to send munitions and other military hardware, either. they have one of the strongest militaries in the world- thanks to that long history of receiving our aid. one of if not the strongest military in the region.
We don’t need to be supporting genocide. We do, however, need a president with enough moral integrity to say that.
It sounds like we’re not actually in disagreement on principles, but arguing over what measures are acceptable in acknowledging the overwhelming popular and political support for continued Israeli aid.
I agree entirely that Biden speeding up arms sales was entirely unnecessary and reflective of his generally pro-Israel position, which is… not good, to say the least.