Jesus himself never direcly mentioned slavery afaik, however, the old testament explicitly condones it and provides instruction on how to get slaves (including ones who count as your property for life) in the law, and jesus did say he didn’t come to abolish the law, so…

Jesus was fine with slavery 😬 most of the good stuff he’s said has been said in better ways and before him

https://ttrpg.network/comment/7523102

“However, there is little evidence of adverse effects arising in dogs and cats on vegan diets. In addition, some of the evidence on adverse health impacts is contradicted in other studies. Additionally, there is some evidence of benefits, particularly arising from guardians’ perceptions of the diets. Given the lack of large population-based studies, a cautious approach is recommended. If guardians wish to implement a vegan diet, it is recommended that commercial foods are used.”

Thanks for linking the review! Of course more and better research is needed, but a cautious approach like they recommend makes sense to me. If you feed a cat a vegan diet, you need to monitor their urine for crystals (there are special litters that do this, or stuff you can put on their regular litter), and you should know you can’t switch them overnight. But it is possible for cats to be healthy and happy on a vegan diet.

Your intuition that vegan cat food is as healthy for cats as ice cream sandwiches are to humans is not enough, and when you look at the nutrition content it doesn’t even make sense. An ice cream sandwich with all the necessary micro- and macro- nutrients a human needs to thrive would be a better comparison, and guess what, a nutritionally complete ice cream sandwich would be fine! I’ve gone for long stretches where I eat nothing but meal replacement shakes like plenny and huel because I’m lazy, and it’s fine. You can find at least one person on reddit who’s done it very strictly for years with no problems.

if you’re going to fight this battle, you also need to fight it against non-vegan cat kibbles, many of which are worse for cats (i.e. less nutritionally complete) than vegan kibbles like benevo or evolution

1. I don’t have time to look up the research on this stuff, I know that last I checked the first point is documented on the wikipedia page for veganism (i.e. It links to the statement by the dietetic orgs).
2. It’s not hard or very costly to get from those to a complete diet without animal products
3. I don’t know enough about to say with certainty, but I’m pretty sure most farmland is not grazed.
4. should be pretty easy to find info on, look up how much of our crops go to animal feed. If I’m wrong I’m happy to read studies that show we don’t do that, but the studies I’ve read inform my position. Due to how trophic levels work, animal products are always going to be an inefficient source of calories

I don’t have time to look up the studies that have been done on it, but you’re just not correct. In the studies I’ve seen they tend to have equivalent or better health outcomes. If you find research that says otherwise I’m open to reading it, but just your intuition that feeding them things they wouldn’t eat in the wild means they can’t be healthy doesn’t cut it for me

1. The average vegan diet is safer/less deficient than the standard american diet. Most major diet orgs agree a well planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of human life
2. The cheapest foods are vegan - grains, legumes, starches. and they get you the majority of the way to a balanced diet. It’s not that hard or expensive to get from them to a 100% well rounded diet
3. Just let the grazing animals live please. Live and let live, so long as it harms none do what you wish, etc. Buffalo/etc don’t need humans to make them go to certain spots to graze
4. most crops go towards feeding animals in animal agriculture. Less crop deaths is better, so if you actually want to reduce them you should go vegan and/or grow your own food

i agree that many vegans have wacky/woowoo/incorrect beliefs and it’s a real shame, but a broken clock is right twice a day

https://petfoodshop.com/

https://www.benevo.com/

idk if they link to the studies on vegan pets but they tend to have equivalent or better health results, although more studies are needed

Edit: here’s a review https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9860667/

Being vegan is the “just sane” response to learning what we do to animals and the impact animal agriculture has on the environment 🤷

Either that means he’s watching porn or some kind of show on birds (e.g. Blue footed booby)

No that’s the 3rd law. That way you can still talk about the first 2 laws