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How can that be a classic behaviour? For one, they haven’t done it, as illustrated by how hard they’ve cracked down on any facist behaviour since the cessation of WII. And wouldn’t they have had to have done it more than once for it to be a classic behaviour? They’ve literally been nazists once. They’d have to have been nazists more than once, and gone through the phases you’ve described for any normal person to call it a “classic”.

You know what is an example of a classic behaviour though? Internet “experts” who just trust what they’re given and don’t do any research about it. Like you’ve done. Want proof? Read the other reply to the comment you’ve replied to here. And if that’s not enough, explain to me why the German foreign minister hasn’t been jailed/charged/etc for these remarks. Never trust just one source.

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You don’t understand basic English comprehension.

Let’s break down your initial comment.

But if he was shooting pub goers

He wasn’t so the rest of your comment is irrelevant. He had shot pub goers, but he wasn’t when he was killed. He had been subdued. Don’t need to break down the rest cos it’s as useful as you are in general to society, not very.

The article says “after the shooting” the gunman was killed.

Pretty fucking clear to me. Note it doesn’t say “during” or any of its synonyms.

Okay, here’s some reading comprehension for you. The person you intially replied to made it clear that the death of the gunman happened after the gunman was subdued. They also said that appropriate force would be reasonable if he was actively shooting. You’ve basically repeated what they’ve said, trying to antagonise a response. It’s a shitty way to try and have a discussion, and I’m gonna call people out on this every day of the week. Be better.

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You know what else is common sense? Not commenting on a topic when you don’t have all the facts. How do you know the force was appropriate? Cos all I’m reading says that gunman appears to have been killed after he’d been subdued. Hence the charges.

Reading other articles, it sure sounds like the gunman was subdued and no longer a threat, then was killed. Not killed during the subduing as you are implying, but after it.

It happened 2weeks ago, that’s plenty of time for an investigation of some description to have occured. And reading elsewhere, it sounds like the gunman was subdued, then killed. And that certainly changes things.

To be fair, Nelson Mandela was sorta a terrorist. He wasn’t as bad as his wife (she spoke at length about doing stuff like putting car tyres around enemies necks, filling the tyres with petrol, then lighting em up), but he did turn a blind eye to some pretty despicable shit that his supporters were doing. For a very long time Amnesty international didn’t support him. Personally, I think the reason he was ignoring these things was good, but the acts themselves sorta don’t justify it. But then, you have to do something to overthrow the oppressors and I’m a white male so I know I will never truly understand the motivations for these acts and can’t really judge anyone for em.

Now that is a deep reference. Youre not wrong though!

Lol, I love it when people get all worked up and it turns out they are upset for idiotic reasons.

I’m an off and on again smoker myself, and whilst I haven’t memorised all 5k+ chems in em, I sure as shit know “what’s in em”. Nicotine, which is what I desire and it is actually fairly innocuous, plus a shitload of supercharged death causing molecules. Cos I’m not an idiot and can look shit up. The ingredients for the vaccines were public knowledge. Google that shit. Still not sure about any of em? Guarantee either you or someone you know knows someone who can help…

Nobody expected it because there is a literal convention preventing it. Sure, Erdogan is a cunt, but this isn’t the first time Turkey has denied passage. They’ve done it to Russia. They’ve done it to the US. And for all your talk of Erdogan wanting his pound of flesh, nobody is stupid enough to go up against the US defence forces unless they have very solid backing for their stance. Which the convention gives them. This scenario would be completely different if they were making exceptions for some but not others, but they’re not.

Dunno why you’re dying on this hill when it literally says in the article that nobody expected the ships to be allowed to travel to the Black Sea. It’s almost like the experts know more than some anonymous armchair expert on Lemmy…

The American military struggled to beat goat herders. North Korea is better equipped too, as wild as that sounds.

You didn’t though. You used a blanket statement. As evidenced by your use of the word “everything”. Your entire initial comment reads as if it was written in the grip of anti drugs hysteria in the 1950s and shows none of the nuance you’re now trying to claim it does.

You’re also wrong on its mode of action, so you’re not even speaking to that. It doesn’t work by making the user “too stupid to conceptualize their own thoughts or realize where they are physically”.

Ketamine is garbage at everything besides temporarily lobotomizing people. It works for it’s many uses because it makes the user stupid. It’s often given to suicidal people, not because it’s a miracle drug, but because it incapacitates them in a safe manner.

This quote from you contradicts what you’ve just said.

Nah, more dangerous. People rarely die of spider bite down here in Australia. Been like 8 deaths to the world’s most deadly spider over recorded history. Sure, that number is probably artificially low cos back in the old days some bites would’ve just been written off as a heart attack etc, but it’s still surprisingly low compared to say deaths by cow etc.