• Cosmic Cleric@lemmy.world
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    As an American from Argentinian parents, let me put it to you this way.

    Would the US get over China taking Hawaii away from them? Especially if it’s just so they can control the oil rights in that area.

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        When exactly did Argentina ever control the Falklands though?

        The wiki page goes into detail. However, besides having their own people on the island at some points, they claim ownership via inheritance from Spain when they won their independence from Spain, and the Spanards had been on the island before anyone else.

        The U.N. actually agreed with Argentina, and asked Great Britain to give the islands back to them.

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        US would completely eviscerate any country that took over Hawaii.

        Yep, true that. And the Falklands/Malvinas Islands are allot closer to Argentina than Hawaii is to the U.S.

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      1 year ago

      If the people of Hawaii repeatedly voted to be Chinese, I’d say maybe we should at least pay attention to what they want.

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        If the people of Hawaii repeatedly voted to be Chinese, I’d say maybe we should at least pay attention to what they want.

        Considering Hawaii’s history, that’s one hell of a statement you just made. You might want to revisit it, after knowing more of the history.

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          What does their history have to do with what they want today?

          Are you saying Hawaiians should be denied democracy?

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            What does their history have to do with what they want today?

            I’m not going to give you an education here about it, there’s plenty you can read about the history of the Hawaiian nation and the US.

            Lets just say that the wishes of the Hawaiian people in the past were not honored very well.

            Are you saying Hawaiians should be denied democracy?

            No, not at all. You really should read up on the history before continuing to assume that I’m saying things that I’m not saying.

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              Unless you can explain what the history of Hawaii would have to do with a democratic vote on whether to be American or Chinese, you can weave and bob all you want, but you have no point.

              If Hawaii was given the democratic choice of “be American” or “be Chinese,” the only people their history should matter to is the voters themselves.

              And I’m guessing you’re not Hawaiian, so it seems a bit paternalistic to speak on their behalf.

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                Unless you can explain what the history of Hawaii would have to do with a democratic vote on whether to be American or Chinese, you can weave and bob all you want, but you have no point.

                If Hawaii was given the democratic choice of “be American” or “be Chinese,” the only people their history should matter to is the voters themselves.

                And I’m guessing you’re not Hawaiian, so it seems a bit paternalistic to speak on their behalf.

                You REALLY should read up on it at least a little, before you continue to berate me about the subject.

                Its not my job to educate you, but here’s one link to get you started.

                As I mentioned before…

                Lets just say that the wishes of the Hawaiian people in the past were not honored very well.

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                  I see, so they shouldn’t be allowed to democratically vote on which country to be a part of because their wishes won’t be honored.

                  Still sounds paternalistic.

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                    I’m not saying that at all. Please don’t put words in my mouth (again).

                    Go read up on their history, and then my comment will have context and you’ll understand it.