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“liberty for me, but not for thee”

Petite bourgois are by definition workers.

No, they’re not. They’re always blurring the lines. Clearly class traitors in this context.

Bruh, when you get a SUV/truck to drive around, you’re declaring war on everyone else. It’s literally an arms race.

Many of those farmers don’t own land, they lease it.

Of course, the rentiers are worse. I agree with that.

And a tractor needs to be driven and you need to get up early even if it is GPS-enabled and can micro-dose fertiliser into the exact spots the field needs.

Right, because they’re not workers. The farmers are managers and owners of technology. And they’re becoming unnecessary.

At least try to understand the role of fossil fuels and technology in all of this.

Here, start with Luddites: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2021/06/the-luddites-were-right

Talking about Germany: We’re talking about farmers getting squeezed out by supermarkets and other traders and by subsidies geared towards increasing farm size. It has been decades-long state policy to shaft small farmers and benefit large ones.

Yeah, and that’s intra-capitalist competition. In the end there can be only one Big Ag corporation.

I’m not sure what you want, are you some kind of liberal? Small time capitalists are still capitalists, even when they’re losing to big capitalists.

That exact subsidy regime is what they’re protesting.

They want more subsidies with fewer strings attached. Not no subsidies.

They can’t afford those bills.

Because they’re overleveraged. Because they’re capitalists who bet (invested) too much in technological capital.

Do you still not get what automation means here? They are owners and managers, not workers. They manage robots or energy slaves. A tractor isn’t a hammer.

Bullshit. Intensive animal farming needs to end, meat needs to become more expensive (and also btw butcher’s wages need to be increased), protein imports need to end (i.e. South American soy), but Europe has plenty of agricultural land to produce meat sustainably. There’s plenty of landscapes we can’t preserve without animal agriculture as European bisons aren’t really a thing, any more, neither are wolves which would be necessary to keep the bisons in check should they be re-introduced on a larger scale and we refuse to hunt them.

Bud, these farmers are all about CAFOs. Intensive animal farming delivers almost all of the animal products.

And extensive animal farming has no future either. Not only is extensive animal farming responsible for massive deforestation and GHG emissions from ruminants, but land is limited, and it’s already being used for such activities.

I’d love to see the industrial animal farming system disappear tomorrow, and it would be the same farmers in the streets, along with masses of commodity fetishists complaining about the cost of living because the price of meat and eggs went to the Moon.

When we’ll return to the land on mass, in a few decades, because that’s the only way to survive, you and your kids will have to deal with these farmers you see today, and their kids, as the ones that don’t sell will be large land owners who will not be sharing land with you (nor tools). You will be their serf.

Honestly, the fact that you’re trying to portray large land owners with and high-tech capital owners as “those workers” is extremely amusing, and also tragic, as you’re supporting the soil of fascism.

Marxist class analysis does not look at whether you’re an employer or entrepreneur, but your power relationship to capital. And by that measure farmers range from petite bourgeois (if they’re very lucky) down to right-out Lumpen.

Lumpen? Lol. I’m from Romania, we still have subsistence farmers. That’s “lumpen”.

You’re talking about small business owners getting corporate welfare for decades, slowly losing to the bigger capitalists, which is the inevitable result of capitalism.

I agree that the competition issue is a problem, but most of them will support neoliberalism: deregulation, the race to the bottom. That’s a problem because they’re destroying the planet.

And the animal sector needs to end. The feed crop farmers can switch to food crops.

The first problem is that I posted the comment on the wrong thread. There was a different one next to it about farm business owner protests in the EU.

The second problem is that nobody noticed that the quote in my comment isn’t from this article about Gaza, which means that none of the people who replied to me read the article.

Same class of bourgeois.

To be fair, the original comment I made here was meant for a completely different post that was next to this one in the main feed.

Nobody bothered to point that out specifically, as nobody read the fucking article here either and noticed that my quote didn’t belong to it.

move into

…more like roll over and crush: “Israeli forces bulldoze Palestinian tents, crushing people alive” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5OcE8JqkZM

Here, let me give you a preview where this far-right small business owner (petite bourgeoisie) is heading to:

https://www.inc.com/inc-staff/capitol-insurrection-business-owners.html

https://time.com/5931320/businesses-boycotted-capitol-riots/

Too many people are giving into far-right populism. It’s not going to end well.

And are the farm workers protesting (and are they unionized) or are the farm owners protesting?

They are overleveraged entrepreneurs. I agree that that’s not good, but that’s not an excuse to maintain business as usual.

Currently, with the industrial fossil-fuel food regime, food insecurity (up to famine) happens:

• due to markets pricing out poor people (doesn’t matter if there’s food around if you can’t buy it)
• war - destroying food growing capacity, killing or scaring away the agriculture workers, stealing harvests, or just preventing harvest seasons
• blockades, usually part of war, which is what you see in Gaza
• local production failure due to various reasons like: weather catastrophes, drought, epidemics, floods, but also economic failures such as the fail to buy inputs by the time they’re needed, such as not being able to buy fertilizers because they got much more expensive to import (because production decreased and/or demand increased such as subsidized demand from rich countries)

As the climate gets more chaotic, drought, weather disasters, diseases and pests are going to become major factors in this food security state. The other aspect are inputs, especially fertilizers, which depend on fossil fuels which are both running low (getting expensive) AND must be replaced with something that isn’t destroying the planet’s climate. This is called a predicament.

In any sane society, resources that are scarce would be rationed according to need. And that means using cropland and inputs for food for humans. This is both for dealing with food insecurity and for mitigating climate heating.

Thank you, Mr. Tone Policeman

Oh, they’re all small family farms?

Keep supporting fascists, good luck with the blood and soil crowd.

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Now is the time. You sound like the people who complain about calls for gun laws after mass shootings.

Indeed, current famine is mostly due to war.

But food poverty, people skirting the edge of hunger, are affected by this.

We saw this when Putin invaded Ukraine and ruined the massive export of grains to developing countries and aid agencies.

And, indirectly, these animal farmers are making food crops less attractive, thus leading to less production of food crops, which means less food to give to aid agencies (assuming that the aid can reach those who need it).