Vodulas [they/them]

I wasn’t attempting to start a debate, just talking about things i saw him do that could be reasons this would get reported. For the record, i was not one of the folks that reported it. I am willing to give some leeway when someone with a huge platform is edifying marginalized people.

Vaush is a divisive person, and has a checkered past. I’m glad to hear he has changed, but I, and probably quite a few folks, stopped paying attention to him when he was doing his edgy thing

I think you read into something I didn’t say. I never said we should remove this video. I was giving context for the reports mods were getting

I mean, he used to rant about how it is OK for white people to say the n word, though he has changed tune on that. He has also miscategorized the land back movement, and called one of his black guests pro-genocide because she dared to talk about black liberation. Oh, then his followers harrased her for it even though she said nothing of the sort. Those are just the things I have personally seen.

I think the issue is the inclusion of Vaush since he has said/done some pretty racist things and his audience tends to dogpile on folks.

I did not say anything about cis people though? In the paragraph I quoted above, You made a distinction between people that use lower case and upper case pronouns. The distinction You made is that because people that use lower case pronouns are “used to being catered to by society” (which is very untrue in the case of trans people, us nonbinary folks in particular) we have tend to get more upset when misgendered. My point is that this is very condescending, and seems to be saying that people that use uppercase are more reasonable about it. You have been kind of dancing around that point in the last couple responses without actually addressing the condescension.

I think You missed my point entirely. The language You used in the paragraph I quoted is condescending. You may not have meant to do that, but the result makes it seem like You are talking down to people that use lower case pronouns (or have not thought about/care about capitalization). Even if it is only a small part of Your experience, the language used makes it seem like folks that use lower case are more prone to outburst.

Us CPUs have accepted that We’re going to have to ask for Our pronouns to be used, and that it’s easier for everyone if We just let the LPUs have this. Maybe in the future it’ll be different, but I really don’t want to be dragged into an argument by an LPU who takes offense and decides to make a scene instead of just asking to have their pronouns respected. I’ve been in that situation before.

I know You say it is not about a power dynamic, but this statement is condescending as all get out. It makes people that use lower case pronouns seem petulant and childish because we get upset when we get misgendered. It smacks of not leveling the same amount of respect to others as You demand they pay to You

I mean, I kinda get it since the article does a piss poor job of using correct pronouns, but put a content warning in the description if that is the case

Edit: It is still early and my words were not good

Why is this marked as NSFW?

Yelling into the void since you blocked me, but saying “here is a list of historical events” is not a source, and expecting someone to read the whole thing to pick out an example of the thing YOU claim to have happened is not arguing in good faith.

Christians are an example, for sure. The only thing I would say is the difference is that in that case Christianity is about a religious belief and not an intrinsic property of the people. If it had been raised as an example earlier, we could have actually had a discussion about that difference instead of someone saying “just look at history, it will definitely happen in this case.”

Saying all of history is not it and the fact that he can’t narrow it down is telling.

I want you to give one example of the thing you claimed will happen actually happening. Name a time an oppressed class got rights, then oppressed the people that oppressed them.

You keep calling it “tone policing”, I call it “strategy recommendation”.

You can call whatever you want, it is still tone policing. Telling people they should not punch up because it is not productive is square in that definition, especially on a thread that started with a very silly joke.

Plus gatekeeping. How exactly do you figure my nose doesn’t belong here?

Giving advice where it wasn’t asked for is sticking your nose in places it doesn’t belong. I don’t claim to know your personal intersections, and apologize if you thought I meant you don’t belong in this particular community

I’m asking for specifics here. You made a claim, back it up with 1 single, tangible source, not some generic “all of history” bullshit

Does that make it acceptable, or worthwhile of discussing? I don’t think so.

They didn’t want to discuss, they wanted you to put in a modicum of effort to go look up some easily attainable information. You are the one that tried to tone police, so being met with moderate sarcasm is the least bad thing that could have happened

Disagree

K. Good luck sticking your nose in places it doesn’t belong then getting upset when people don’t appreciate it

Which one of those shows an oppressed people turning around and oppressing the oppressor?

Not every single sentence and also they could have been way worse, especially since you are way out of pocket here.

You come into a space trying to tone police, arguing with people about how to fight for rights, then get mad when they are a little sarcastic to you? Wow

Historical data… mostly political, but what in human behavior isn’t “political”?

Heavy doubt on that one. Care to cite some sources?

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