Handy for Israel to get to exterminate them within their own borders and everyone else is to blame because they won’t take them as refugees. Both those things are bad, but one is at least a bit worse.

This message keeps being spread. Wonder how significant it is or if it’s like a handful and propagandists are making it out to be a trend?

I’ll never forget, a few years into the war I asked what my Afghani colleague thought of the war. He told me “I hate the Taliban. When I was a boy they came to my village and slit all the men’s throats. NOT a few of the men. ALL of the men.” Leaving those people to suffer that regime was a greater crime than any we committed in the 20 years of occupation.

Your reasoning is very flawed on this. Dishonest and misleading are synonymous. And I never said they are a puppet of anyone. They are very far from alone and they obviously have the greatest interest. Their military assets amount to many billions with more constantly flowing in. When it comes to the means to make war, Ukraine is wealthy and applying any other measure is dishonest, a lie, misleading and propaganda.

Ukraine is worth our help but not worth lying to ourselves over.

It’s dishonest to frame this war that way. Ukraine is some kind of proxy for a global alliance against Russia. We are good at lying to ourselves. Not as good as Russia, but the more we do it, the less certain we can be of anything.

Maybe you propaganda lovers need the lies for some internal reason? I don’t personally feel that if I’m justifying my decisions with lies, I should resolve the inconsistency in my value system.

Why do you guys keep calling Ukraine the poorest nation in Europe? They must be burning enough money to compare with a top 10 military expenditure. It’s gone impressively well for them, but the way they are glorified like this is blatant propaganda. It’s another front in the fight, but with the dishonesty, it makes it hard to judge the nobility of the cause.