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Cake day: December 6th, 2024

  • That’s the thing: Prejudice is always bad, be it directly (presuming people are somehow worse or lesser than others based on some characteristics they were born with) or indirectly (presuming people are somehow better than others based on some characteristic they were born with, which means the evil types which are found amongst those people just as much as amongst the rest, get away with far more evildoing than otherwise: a great example of this being how Zionists have taken things to the point of committing Genocide because for decades they were leveraging “positive” prejudices about people who are Jewish to get away with doing seriously evil shit).

    That’s why I really like the Dutch take of “those things are irrelevant for judging the character of a person” when it comes to sexual orientation - it totally avoids prejudice in any form, both the obviously bad prejudices AND the supposedly positive but in practice also negative, just indirectly.

    People are people are people - best not presume things about them based on traits that have nothing to do with how good or bad they act, even “nice” presumptions.


  • In terms of people’s own ideology, that’s everywhere, really.

    The upside of seeing sexual orientation as irrelevant outside sex and romance is that one has no tendency to assume that just because somebody has a specific sexual orientation, that means they think in a specific way (which is just a variant of “they’re all the same”), most notably in terms of Politics. This stands in contrast with what you see mainly in Anglo-Saxon nations.

    So once one looks at the world like that it’s obvious that people whose sexual orientation is one of the less common ones are just as likely to be Nazis as the rest.

    The difference in The Netherlands versus other countries is on how free people feel to let society know what their sexual orientation is, rather than the proportion of those who are gay and have Nazi beliefs being higher in The Netherlands than elsewhere - in other words people who have Nazi beliefs there and who happen to be gay are more likely to let others know that they’re gay than elsewhere.


  • I totally agree that that’s a good thing.

    More in general it’s a good thing that the era of rightwing cohalitions governing the country, which lasted almost 2 decades, seems to be finally over, as the other parties of the governing cohalition have all lost votes.

    The Netherlands has actually been quite a neoliberal country for a while now, with steadilly degrading public services (still Scandinavia-style personal taxes but ever more American style public services) and one of the worse realestate bubbles in Europe.

    Hopefully this is a change in direction back towards traditional social democrat ideals and away from deregulation, trickle-down delusions and even support for the modern version of the Nazis (the Zionists).


  • The leader of the modern Dutch Far-Right some years ago, when it really took of, was very openly gay.

    I suspect that you’re from a society where sexuality and sexual orientation are massively affected by Moralism and heavilly politicized - in other words treated as heavy and important subjects aligned with certain political forces - which is totally different from many other countries, most notably The Netherlands were they just treat all sexual orientations as just normal (which is why Dutch Far-Right muppets couldn’t care less that their leader was gay).

    All this to say that your reading about the sexual orientation of a countries top politicians and what it says for populist politics, doesn’t at all apply outside very specific societies with wierd political takes on such subjects.


  • The Far-Right really took off in the Netherlands under the leadership of Pim Fortuyn who was very openly gay.

    Think about it: one of the first leaders of the modern Dutch Far-Right was openly gay and nobody cared to the point that he was politically very successful as a Far-Right leader. In which other country in the World would the Far-Right types be fine with their leader being gay?!

    In my own personal experience (I actually lived there for almost a decade), the Dutch have the healthiest take of all when it comes to sexual orientation: it’s all normal and in domains outside sex and romance treated as just about as relevant as people’s eye color (i.e. pretty much nobody cares).

    All this to say that from a Dutch point of view the sexual orientation of the prime minister being homosexual is irrelevant.

    Beware of projecting the weird Anglo-Saxon viewpoint on sexuality and sexual orientation onto events taking place in a Dutch context.